Swine Flu Over-reaction?

[Nelyubin 0]

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That means that there are going to be a lot of people out there overreacting (again, Duh)
The reaction of Russia barring imports of pork is ridiculous.

http://www.spbgid.ru/index.php?news=166526

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Russia to December 8, banned imports of pork and pig products from Ireland because of fears of contamination by dioxins. As the press secretary Россельхознадзора Alexey Alekseenko, Monday Service ceased issuing permits for delivery

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http://sk.product.ru/news.asp?RAZD=6

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Russia 1 December banned the import of pork from the District Lucenec Slovakia in connection with the animal disease classical plague and real threat of carrying the virus in Russia.

http://www.ruvr.ru/main.php?lng=rus&q=111593&cid=437&p=26.04.2009

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Russia in connection with an outbreak of pig influenza in Mexico and the United States on Sunday banned the import of all kinds of raw meat and all meat products from Mexico and three U.S. states - Texas, California and Kansas. This applies to parties, shipped to Russia after 21 April. At the same time, we introduce the ban on imports of raw pork from another 9-American states, as well as from several Latin American countries: Guatemala, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama and El Salvador

The normal reaction to the state likely to endanger public health.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

No, the normal reaction of the state in reaction to intensive lobbying from protectionist agricultural groups. The Yanks do it to Canadian products all the time, and we have a treaty.

[Nelyubin 0]

During the epidemic of rabies in cattle in England were a lot of TV shows where people eat meat from sick animals.
Unfortunately, this has negative consequences ... up to the present time.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Gleefully exploited by the protectionists.

[Nelyubin 0]

A possible option.
But Russia is now a very large percentage of the poor.
These people can not afford the choice of quality products and medicines (to protect their health).
Safer to restrict the export of potentially dangerous products.
In the end, the State it would be cheaper for people safer.

[lawrocket 3]

I'm beginning to wonder how much money WHO needs.

And wondering how bad this thing will be next winter. We should get an idea in the next couple of months in the southern hemisphere.

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[d_squared431 0]

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I've been feeling over the last few days that this has become a media-driven event.

Are we over-reacting?

Why does everyone always thinks the government is over reacting when it comes to issues like this? To make people aware of the dangers of the situation and inform them of the what if's can and may prevent hundreds of deaths.

Would you rather not be aware and informed of a serious health issues until it is to late to prevent loved ones from dying, or have the government do what they have been doing?

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[freeflybella 0]

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I've been feeling over the last few days that this has become a media-driven event.

Are we over-reacting?

Why does everyone always thinks the government is over reacting when it comes to issues like this? To make people aware of the dangers of the situation and inform them of the what if's can and may prevent hundreds of deaths.

Would you rather not be aware and informed of a serious health issues until it is to late to prevent loved ones from dying, or have the government do what they have been doing?

Government? The government is doing kinda nothing. The World Health Org. and the Center for Disease Control are doing alot, and the media is putting on a circus act.

Wait...what was your question again?

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[Remster 30]

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The government is doing kinda nothing. The World Health Org. and the Center for Disease Control are doing alot

You're 100% right. The government is doing nothing. Especially the government agency that is tasked with dealing with disease control. Its name is on the tip of my tongue.. Wait for it, it'll come to me in a second.

Remster

[jerryzflies 0]

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I've been feeling over the last few days that this has become a media-driven event.

Are we over-reacting?

Why does everyone always thinks the government is over reacting when it comes to issues like this? To make people aware of the dangers of the situation and inform them of the what if's can and may prevent hundreds of deaths.

Would you rather not be aware and informed of a serious health issues until it is to late to prevent loved ones from dying, or have the government do what they have been doing?

Government? The government is doing kinda nothing. The World Health Org. and the Center for Disease Control are doing alot, and the media is putting on a circus act.

And what EXACTLY do you think the Center for Disease Control is?

Hint - it's web address is cdc.GOV

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

[billvon 3,096]

>Would you rather not be aware and informed of a serious health issues
> until it is to late to prevent loved ones from dying . . . .

If they freak out over a disease that kills a few dozen people, but say nothing special about a disease that kills 36,000 - that's a bit of an over-reaction.

[rhys 0]

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If they freak out over a disease that kills a few dozen people, but say nothing special about a disease that kills 36,000 - that's a bit of an over-reaction.

Exactly!

The flu kills many people but chuck a name like 'swine' in front of it, and presto, phamaceutical stocks soar, newspaper sales soar and television commercial prices between special bullitins soar.

What a fucken joke.

I might have to sponser the next strain that comes out, what should we call it, hmmm....

...something freaky like, Africanised Flu.

oh yeah those bees took that one.

FEAR FEAR FEAR = $$$$$$$$

I was in a hospital today in Sun city Ca., the Doctor was laughing at the stupidity of it all. Just goes to show huh.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[d_squared431 0]

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>Would you rather not be aware and informed of a serious health issues
> until it is to late to prevent loved ones from dying . . . .

If they freak out over a disease that kills a few dozen people, but say nothing special about a disease that kills 36,000 - that's a bit of an over-reaction.

So you are saying they should wait to inform the public and then freak out after there are 36,000 deaths from something that could have been prevent?

TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1
I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH
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[warpedskydiver 0]

There should not be any freaking out...period.

That is not a very professional or scientific approach

I spoke with a doctor about this just yesterday and I was informed that this is a huge media driven fiasco.

As Bill and others have noted, the plain old flu kills far greater numbers, so many in fact that it is that equivalent of a small town dying off.

[billvon 3,096]

>So you are saying they should wait to inform the public and then freak
>out after there are 36,000 deaths from something that could have been
>prevent?

THERE ARE 36,000 FLU DEATHS A YEAR. Every year. Not swine flu, just plain ol' ordinary flu. And every year the CDC releases health guidelines, helps formulate flu vaccines, publishes reports on the progress of the flu etc.

Why the panic over this one? It's like having a room full of smokers who panic when someone eats a carrot - because they heard that carrots can contain carcinogens in rare cases. They could die of CANCER! From a carrot! Ban carrots! Shut down supermarkets! SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!

[lawrocket 3]

First, allow me to admit that I'm a cynic.

Second - I'm an asshole.

Now that you all know from where I come, I am indeed wondering how much of a cash cow this is for the WHO.

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[Lindsey 0]

I don't think it's an over-reaction. I think we're lucky, though, that this one isn't hitting us so hard. It could have been much worse, and I do think it's a good idea to have our heads out of our asses where influenza is concerned. There have been several similar scares-of-sorts since the 1924 (was it 24?) pandemic. That was the bad one. When another virus DOES spread amongst us that we have little immunity against, I'd much rather be prepared for it (best we can be) than not.

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[Amazon 7]

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I don't think it's an over-reaction. I think we're lucky, though, that this one isn't hitting us so hard. It could have been much worse, and I do think it's a good idea to have our heads out of our asses where influenza is concerned. There have been several similar scares-of-sorts since the 1924 (was it 24?) pandemic. That was the bad one. When another virus DOES spread amongst us that we have little immunity against, I'd much rather be prepared for it (best we can be) than not.

1918 Spanish flu was the bad one..

This one is just getting going.. BUT.... I fear this is a case of the little boy calling WOLF. When the Bird flu does mutate or some other strain comes along that we are ill prepared for... it WILL be far worse

[rhys 0]

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I fear this is a case of the little boy calling WOLF.

either that or counting you chickens before they hatch.

How many people have died from Flu strains other than the swine since this storm in a teacup came to be?

statisticly, shitloads more.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Amazon 7]

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I fear this is a case of the little boy calling WOLF.

either that or counting you chickens before they hatch.

How many people have died from Flu strains other than the swine since this storm in a teacup came to be?

statisticly, shitloads more.

Do not get me wrong.... this one has a component that is VERRY bad... The fact that it is not the OLD and the VERY young are the ones dieing in Mexico.. should give.. and has given some people to take note. It is serious there.. hunderds of dead in young adults.. is a reallly bad portent for the world.

[grimmie 186]

My son is in fifth grade here in San Diego. Last Thursday he was convinced he was getting swine flu.
Alejandro sits next to him and was in Tijuana visiting his Grandparents last weekend. He coughed once in class. All of the kids were in a panic.
After the school assembly to tell the kids all about the flu and how to wash their hands and cover their mouths...and everything they see on the news...it was just too much.

The school nurse has had her hands full with panicked parents, children and teachers. She had to bring in extra help.

Not one swine flu sick kid in the entire school district.

[rhys 0]

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should give.. and has given some people to take note. It is serious there..

the understatement of the fortnight!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[FallingOsh 0]

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I don't think it's an over-reaction. I think we're lucky, though, that this one isn't hitting us so hard.

Just like we narrowly escaped SARS and bird flu. I stopped caring about crap like this when I read a story abut Lunchables causing cancer.

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[d_squared431 0]

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I don't think it's an over-reaction. I think we're lucky, though, that this one isn't hitting us so hard. It could have been much worse, and I do think it's a good idea to have our heads out of our asses where influenza is concerned. There have been several similar scares-of-sorts since the 1924 (was it 24?) pandemic. That was the bad one. When another virus DOES spread amongst us that we have little immunity against, I'd much rather be prepared for it (best we can be) than not.

I was trying to make the same point last night. To be prepared and aware can and will make a significant difference in saving lives.

TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1
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[lawrocket 3]

My question is: "How will awareness and preparation by the public at large save lives?"

I can see preparation by the health care industry. But not necessarily by the public at large.

Influenza prevention is not like HIV prevention - where the substantial factor is behavioral. It is more akin to earthquake preparedness in Cali - a big shaker is gonna happen. How you prepare to cope with getting hit will make a difference.

I don't see how you won't get hit without living in a bubble.

My son had a doctor's appointment on Friday for immunizations. The doctor's office was a zoo. Every kid with a sniffle (pollen counts were off the chart last week) was in the doctor's office worried about swine flu.

I figure there must have been at least 100k doctor visits nationwide when unwarranted outside of panic. Did this cause harm? Probably more than the flu.

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