quade 4 #1 April 27, 2009 Honestly, there should have been more. Would have been nice to see some Republicans also arrested for this. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/27/us-lawmakers-arrested-in-darfur-protest-at-sudan-embassy/quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #2 April 27, 2009 Quote Honestly, there should have been more. Would have been nice to see some Republicans also arrested for this. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/27/us-lawmakers-arrested-in-darfur-protest-at-sudan-embassy/ Good for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #3 April 27, 2009 Gee, I thought the United Nations was going to take care of the Darfur situation. Do you mean they haven't? What a surprise."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #4 April 27, 2009 They should have done this 3 or 4 years ago. where were they then? kind of a waste of time for congressman, im glad we're paying them to do this. Darfur needs action, not protests. Though if the people want to protest and still make noise about it to get our officials attention, great! If it is that important to these congressmen, make it a priority at their workplace rather than trying to regulate the cr*p out of us here in the states. If there were any repub officials there, same to them. take action! "You have to find a way to dramatize an issue," Rep. John Lewis (D-Georgia) told CNN as he was led away in handcuffs. This issue has been dramatized about as much as it could have well before these guys made their glorious stand...So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #5 April 27, 2009 QuoteGee, I thought the United Nations was going to take care of the Darfur situation. Do you mean they haven't? What a surprise. Perhaps they've had issues collecting dues.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #6 April 27, 2009 They certainly don't seem to have any problem spending dues....the problem is on what they squander the money."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #7 April 27, 2009 QuoteHonestly, there should have been more. Would have been nice to see some Republicans also arrested for this. So, you think we should do more about the genocide in Sudan but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq (Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide against the Kurds) ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 April 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteHonestly, there should have been more. Would have been nice to see some Republicans also arrested for this. So, you think we should do more about the genocide in Sudan but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq (Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide against the Kurds) ... I'm sorry, where did you read that? Please post a link from something I've written. Can't? Oh . . . here's an idea . . . try not just making shit up.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #9 April 27, 2009 QuoteThey certainly don't seem to have any problem spending dues....the problem is on what they squander the money. Perhaps we should make sure ours our current before we criticize how the money is "squandered," especially considering our permanent seat in the UNSC.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 April 27, 2009 Quote"Lewis said the U.S. cannot afford to wait for Sudan to settle ethnic conflict and massive killings that the State Department has characterized as genocide." Of course when Republicans say such things they are evil warmongering imperialists, interfering in the foreign affairs of sovereign nations. But when Democrats say it, they're heroes! Not to worry, because it's all okay now. The democrats have protested at the embassy, so we can all sleep soundly tonight, because they've made a symbolic stand against genocide. Don't worry at all about the fact that they haven't actually done a damn thing to stop it - that's not what counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #11 April 27, 2009 This country has thrown more money down that rat hole in NYC that is the UN HQ than any other country in the world...probably more than all of them combined. Check out what countries pay what in dues."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #12 April 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteHonestly, there should have been more. Would have been nice to see some Republicans also arrested for this. So, you think we should do more about the genocide in Sudan but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq (Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide against the Kurds) ... I'm sorry, where did you read that? Please post a link from something I've written. Can't? Oh . . . here's an idea . . . try not just making shit up. In this thread you imply that the intervention in Iraq was a mistake while in this thread you imply that not intervening in Sudan is a mistake."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #13 April 27, 2009 Oh, for moment there I thought you were talking about the entire Illinois delegation.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 April 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHonestly, there should have been more. Would have been nice to see some Republicans also arrested for this. So, you think we should do more about the genocide in Sudan but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq (Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide against the Kurds) ... I'm sorry, where did you read that? Please post a link from something I've written. Can't? Oh . . . here's an idea . . . try not just making shit up. In this thread you imply that the intervention in Iraq was a mistake while in this thread you imply that not intervening in Sudan is a mistake. There is an entire world of difference between stopping genocide and what we did in Iraq. The US did NOT go to war with Iraq to stop the gassing of the Kurds. Had they intervened in that I would have supported it, but we didn't.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #15 April 27, 2009 >but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq >(Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide >against the Kurds) ... We definitely should have done something about that! Not selling him the ingredients for chemical weapons, and not giving him military intelligence that helped him use them, would have been a _great_ idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #16 April 27, 2009 Cool-now they can sit down and meet with the rest of their partyYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #17 April 28, 2009 Quote>but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq >(Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide >against the Kurds) ... We definitely should have done something about that! Not selling him the ingredients for chemical weapons, and not giving him military intelligence that helped him use them, would have been a _great_ idea. To our credit, I think that we did indeed stop selling Saddam helicopters after he started gassing people. Hey, it's the least we could do. And we did the least that we could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #18 April 28, 2009 QuoteQuote>but don't think we should have done anything about the genocide in Iraq >(Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons to commit genocide >against the Kurds) ... We definitely should have done something about that! Not selling him the ingredients for chemical weapons, and not giving him military intelligence that helped him use them, would have been a _great_ idea. To our credit, I think that we did indeed stop selling Saddam helicopters after he started gassing people. Hey, it's the least we could do. And we did the least that we could. Fact of the matter is that President Reagan sent Special envoy Donald Rumsfeld to meet with Saddam. Rummy told Saddam that we weren't exactly pleased with all the gassing, but under the circumstances (at war with Iran), we'd be willing to look the other way. there are photos of rummy and Saddam, all smiles and shaking hands. Ironically, one of those gassings was the actual charge Saddam hung for. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #19 April 28, 2009 Quote Fact of the matter is that President Reagan sent Special envoy Donald Rumsfeld to meet with Saddam. Rummy told Saddam that we weren't exactly pleased with all the gassing, but under the circumstances (at war with Iran), we'd be willing to look the other way. there are photos of rummy and Saddam, all smiles and shaking hands. Ironically, one of those gassings was the actual charge Saddam hung for. I remember the pic. I thought Saddam was hung for his conviction of an earlier crime. I didn't think we got to the Kurd gassing events. Must have missed it. I figured that they wanted to test out the court with a lesser crime with the added bonus that if he was convicted, that he'd never get his day in court on the gassings. Neat, tidy and very convenient that our complicity never made it into the courtroom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 April 28, 2009 Quote Ironically, one of those gassings was the actual charge Saddam hung for. Well, he hung because he lost Gulf War II. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #21 April 29, 2009 QuoteQuote"Lewis said the U.S. cannot afford to wait for Sudan to settle ethnic conflict and massive killings that the State Department has characterized as genocide." Of course when Republicans say such things they are evil warmongering imperialists, interfering in the foreign affairs of sovereign nations. But when Democrats say it, they're heroes! Not to worry, because it's all okay now. The democrats have protested at the embassy, so we can all sleep soundly tonight, because they've made a symbolic stand against genocide. Don't worry at all about the fact that they haven't actually done a damn thing to stop it - that's not what counts. Don't get the idea that I completely support EITHER party (their intelligence levels aside, I'm convinced that most politicians are going to act like idiots, no matter what party!!) .... with that said .... Why is it that so many stalwarts of both parties always blame the other no matter what? If people are going to bash this administration for what it hasn't done about Darfur, I think they should at least attempt to keep in mind the prior administration's lack of action on the same issue. Both parties are continually guilty of doing what is politically expedient and ignoring what is right or wrong.As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
