NewGuy2005 53 #1 April 21, 2009 Does anyone have a link to the actual memo released by the Obama Administration? I can find plenty of news articles, but not the actual memo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #2 April 21, 2009 Yes. Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #3 April 21, 2009 Quote Yes. Thanks!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #4 April 21, 2009 Torture?!!?!? Did we read the part about SERE Instructor and SERE Psychologist. So what we consider training; the namby pambies consider torture?!?!?! The "wall technique" is torture? Can't imagine what they'd think of the "Dead Bug" or a twelve mile ruck, or... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #5 April 21, 2009 Quote Torture?!!?!? Did we read the part about SERE Instructor and SERE Psychologist. So what we consider training; the namby pambies consider torture?!?!?! The "wall technique" is torture? Can't imagine what they'd think of the "Dead Bug" or a twelve mile ruck, or... I've read some of the memos and I've got to say, some of it is pretty funny. Waterboarding = Not so good Abdominal Slap = You must be joking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #6 April 21, 2009 Waterboarding = Seal TrainingNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #7 April 21, 2009 Quote Waterboarding = Seal Training Training Seals or SEALs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #8 April 21, 2009 There have been parties rougher than that.I must have been TORTURED when I got my E5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #9 April 21, 2009 Yeah, A fraternal order of Airborne was to get your Blood Wings until the video of the Marines punching each other in the chest to pound the wings hit the Media. Sixty years of tradition out the window.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #10 April 21, 2009 QuoteTorture?!!?!? Did we read the part about SERE Instructor and SERE Psychologist. The SERE training methods were largely derived from tactics used or believed used by North Koreans and Soviets. The training manual was intended as training doctrine to enable US soldiers, airman, sailors, and Marines to develop skills to resist torture by our enemies ... it was *not* intended as an instruction manual for what we should do. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 April 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteTorture?!!?!? Did we read the part about SERE Instructor and SERE Psychologist. The SERE training methods were largely derived from tactics used or believed used by North Koreans and Soviets. The training manual was intended as training doctrine to enable US soldiers, airman, sailors, and Marines to develop skills to resist torture by our enemies ... it was *not* intended as an instruction manual for what we should do. /Marg I guess some of the chickenhawks who never served in any capacity.. missed that part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #12 April 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteTorture?!!?!? Did we read the part about SERE Instructor and SERE Psychologist. The SERE training methods were largely derived from tactics used or believed used by North Koreans and Soviets. The training manual was intended as training doctrine to enable US soldiers, airman, sailors, and Marines to develop skills to resist torture by our enemies ... it was *not* intended as an instruction manual for what we should do. I guess some of the chickenhawks who never served in any capacity.. missed that part. Perhaps ... I'm not sure. You are correct that the folks who have advocated most strongly for use of water-boarding, "enhanced-interrogation" methods, or "torture warrants" were overwhelmingly (1) non-military, and (2) had no operational experience in interrogation. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 April 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Torture?!!?!? Did we read the part about SERE Instructor and SERE Psychologist. The SERE training methods were largely derived from tactics used or believed used by North Koreans and Soviets. The training manual was intended as training doctrine to enable US soldiers, airman, sailors, and Marines to develop skills to resist torture by our enemies ... it was *not* intended as an instruction manual for what we should do. I guess some of the chickenhawks who never served in any capacity.. missed that part. Perhaps ... I'm not sure. You are correct that the folks who have advocated most strongly for use of water-boarding, "enhanced-interrogation" methods, or "torture warrants" were overwhelmingly (1) non-military, and (2) had no operational experience in interrogation. /Marg Way too armchair Jack Baur wannabes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #14 April 21, 2009 That is not the SERE training manual.. That is the block of instruction regarding the GPW Code of Conduct for "Legal Combatants."Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #15 April 21, 2009 Quote Way too armchair Jack Baur wannabes What may be most indicting is that there may be more truth than metaphor in that. The Fiction Behind Torture Policy: The lawyers designing interrogation techniques cited Jack Bauer more frequently than the Constitution. If people who are as smart as John Yoo (I may disagree vehemently with his legal and ethical thinking; he's not 'dumb,' however) can be influenced by fictional television, what does that say for the rest of us? No one wants to think that they're influenced by television -- we all want to think that we're independent skeptical thinkers. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #16 April 21, 2009 QuoteThat is not the SERE training manual.. That is the block of instruction regarding the GPW Code of Conduct for "Legal Combatants." It is the Unclassified "Training, Code of Conduct, Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE) Training" Army Regulation 350–30, which refers to FM 21-76-1. Regardless, that does not obviate any of what I wrote on the intention, history, or mis-use of a training manual for resisting torture by the Soviets and North Koreans as an instructional manual for use by the US. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #17 April 21, 2009 Damn, there is a lot missing from the unclass version and even that is just a base to start from. Nice day out isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
