Larry King sucks

[philh 0]

Why is there so much bullshit in the world?
Perhpas because people dont challenge it . The king of letting Bs artists get away with their nonsense is Larry King.

He didnt bother to challenge Rick Warren when he lied about his stance on Prop 8 and much more importantly he let Jenny Mccarthy get away with murder. That metaphor is not far from the truth as her ridiculous pseduo science is putting lives at risk.

I suggest anyone who cares about truth might want to email CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form.sound.off.html

For more on Larry King and Rick Warren read here:

http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/apparently-you-have-rick-warren-scared.html

for more on Larry King and Jenny Mccarthy read here:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=445

[Lefty 0]

Larry King is just a tabloid masquerading as a serious news program.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[masterblaster72 0]

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Why is there so much bullshit in the world?
Perhpas because people dont challenge it . The king of letting Bs artists get away with their nonsense is Larry King.

He didnt bother to challenge Rick Warren when he lied about his stance on Prop 8 and much more importantly he let Jenny Mccarthy get away with murder.

for more on Larry King and Jenny Mccarthy read here:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=445

So what's your beef with Jenny McCarthy? Do you work for a pharmaceutical company?

I know she's not a scientist, but thanks to the information she shares about how she treated her son's autism, my nephew is doing much better than he was doing a couple years ago, when he couldn't talk or communicate in any way due to his autistic condition. He's now in first grade with typical children.

I'd like to run this by the fellow who wrote that article you linked to.

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The Court found that Bailey's ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey's ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was... a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[masterrig 1]

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Larry King is just a tabloid masquerading as a serious news program.

Seems as though, there's a lot of that these days. Too much interest in ratings by the networks.


Chuck

[jclalor 12]

Larry King is an idiot, When he has Sylvia Brown on I can't believe he takes her seriously. He never once ask anyone a tough question he just kisses their ass.

Mercury was taken out of all childrens vaccines for the last ten years and what happened ? Autism rates shot thru the roof for this same group of children. Polio and other diseases that could be prevented with vaccines are now on the rise, why? The jennys and Oprahs of the world thought they were smarter than doctors.





From the LA times:


In a major setback for the fight to link autism to vaccines, a special federal court ruled Thursday that the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and vaccines that contained a mercury-based preservative were not connected to the autism that developed in three children.

The decisions in the cases of the ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/vaccine/Hastings-Cedillo.pdf , ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/vaccine/Campbell-Smith%20Hazlehurst%20Decision.pdf and ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/vaccine/Vowell.Snyder.pdf families could potentially sink the claims of several hundred other families in an omnibus proceeding that believe the MMR vaccine alone or in combination with vaccines containing the preservative thimerosal caused their children's autism, said Curtis Webb, a lawyer for the Hazlehurst family.


The outlook appeared particularly grim for them because these three cases were considered among the strongest, Webb said.

"We're extremely disappointed," Webb said. "It wasn't even a close case."

The families' attorneys are considering appealing, the lawyer said, but first need to study the decisions carefully.


Vaccine supporters and public health experts applauded the decision by the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, hoping it would reassure parents that the shots recommended by federal scientists are safe.

"It's a great day for science and I'd like to think it's also a great day for children with autism," said Dr. Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine (a standard childhood immunization that does not contain thimerosal).

Offit said he understood that many parents had been scared by the controversy, but believed that those who refused to vaccinate their children contributed to a 12-year high in measles cases last year and a recent outbreak of bacterial meningitis. Both of these outbreaks could have been prevented by standard childhood vaccinations, he said.

"It's time to put the vaccine hypothesis aside and focus on the real causes of autism and not be diverted by a dead end," said Offit, who was not involved in the case.

Congress set up the special vaccine court in 1986 when pharmaceutical companies faced a liability crisis. Vaccines were being blamed for catastrophic injuries to children, and some vaccine manufacturers threatened to quit the business.

The court shields vaccine makers from damage claims, drawing money from a pool funded by a surcharge levied on every vaccine. Parents who believe their children have been harmed by vaccines can file petitions at this court and receive compensation from the pool.

About 5,000 families have filed claims involving autism, a spectrum of developmental disorders whose hallmarks are impaired social interaction and communication. The judicial officers appointed in this case, known as special masters, decided to hear test cases on different causation theories to develop general principles that they could apply to the flood of claims.

Three special masters heard the cases of the Cedillo, Hazlehurst and Snyder families in 2007. In general, lawyers for the families argued that vaccines containing thimerosal weakened the children's immune systems, allowing the viruses in the MMR vaccine to take hold and cause autism. In the Hazlehurst case, lawyers for the family came to argue that the MMR vaccine was the primary culprit.

Thimerosal was used to keep bacteria from growing in multidose containers. The MMR vaccine has never contained thimerosal, but some other routinely recommended vaccines such as the hepatitis B vaccine did. Thimerosal was phased out of most shots by 2000. Trace or small amounts of thimerosal remain in a few vaccines recommended for children, including the flu shot.

The special masters rejected practically all of the families' arguments.

"I concluded the evidence was overwhelmingly contrary to the petitioners' contentions," George Hastings Jr. wrote in the Cedillo opinion, similar to the others. "The expert witnesses presented by the respondent were far better qualified, far more experienced and far more persuasive than the petitioners' experts."

He expressed "deep sympathy and admiration" for the family, but said: "I must decide this case not on sentiment, but by analyzing the evidence."

He added: "While Michelle Cedillo has tragically suffered from autism and other severe conditions, the petitioners have also failed to demonstrate that her vaccinations played any role at all in causing those problems."

Several parent-advocates were frustrated by the rulings.

"I'm sure the decision was based on some of the current science that is out there and the scientific community hasn't invested in the types of independent research necessary to get to the bottom of the issue," said Rick Rollens of Sacramento, who has an autistic son and co-founded the UC Davis MIND Institute.

Rollens and others said these verdicts wouldn't make parents stop questioning the safety of vaccines, especially when the parents see changes in their children right after vaccination.

"There's no denying what happens to your child when you see it firsthand," said Rollens. "Maybe we haven't asked all the right questions yet."

The parent-advocates held out hope that the government might still acknowledge connections between vaccines and autism through other mechanisms. Last year, they pointed out, the Department of Health and Human Services concluded that vaccines aggravated an underlying metabolic disorder in Hannah Poling, a young girl from Georgia who developed a brain disorder with features of autism.

The special masters are still working on another group of test cases alleging that thimerosal itself causes autism. Final briefs are still being filed, with decisions expected sometime after this summer.

Thursday's decisions "won't resolve the thimerosal cases," said Webb, the lawyer. "There are more people that focus on thimerosal than focus on MMR. . . . Those cases are still viable."

[Andy9o8 2]

Eh, you're too harsh on Larry. Larry's just a softball interview - gives the guest (of any stripe) free reign & won't hold a guest's feet to the fire. Nothing more or less.
He is, however, an incredibly stylish dresser.

[philh 0]

My beef with Jenny Mccarthy is that she is stupid, ignorant and dangeorus.
Her campaign against vaccines is not based upon science and it will put peoples lives in danger.

No I don't work for a pharmaceutical company, do you think that everyone that cares about good science and peoples lives has to work for a pharamaceutical?

You are right Jenny is not a scientist. Thats doesnt matter so much, what matters is her passion for substiuting good science for nonsense. You dont need to be a professional scientist to require proper evidennce before accepting or promoting a claim. You just need a basic education in ciritical thinking, which she seems to lack.

As to her treating her sons autism, this just demonstrates the lack of critical thinking skills buy her and her followers. You cant assume a so called "cure " is effective without a proper study. How do you know the path of the disease would not have improved without the treatmen?. Correlation is not causation; you should learn that as a mantra. Real scientific sutdies can help us determine what is a causal factor with two correlated variables and what is not. Anecodotes cannot do that.
The scientific literature is clear, the re is no link between vaccines and autism.

As to your court case. did you read the case notes? The specail master specifically stated that Bailey did not have autism. A court award is not the same as a scientific conclusion. Thats not to say there are not rare cases of harm from vaccines. But anyone who thinks this means vaccines are danerous is being disengenous. Rare reactions can cause harm from almost anything you put in your body. Some people even have averse reactions to sunshine.

Lets put the number in perspective. There is a danger of say AEDM from vaccines. Its estimated .1. to .2 per million vaccinations . Compare this to cases of ADEM after measles , the incidence rate here is 1 in 1,000 . To isolate a case of vaccine caused injury out of this context is plain stupid and thats one of the many things I have against Jenny Mccarthy.