Gawain 0 #1 April 9, 2009 Why lie about this? Take a look at the video about 55 seconds into it. President Obama bows to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/White_House_No_bow_to_Saudi.html Believe it or not, I'm willing to overlook this break from protocol, given the other mis-steps the President's protocol office has taken lately (region 1 DVDs to Britain, DVDs period, iPod to the Queen when she has one, etc). Honestly, I don't know what kind of preparation is being given to President Obama, but the protocol office needs a kick in the pants. Either way, what is gained by this lame explanation: Quote"It wasn't a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he's taller than King Abdullah," said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. So, yes, it's a nit-pick...but what the hell... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 April 9, 2009 At least it wasn't a TV set or a pair of Air Jordans.No class at all. The gifts were not thoughtful, nor did they show any consideration or caring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 April 9, 2009 Unless she has been replaced the Protocol office is run by Shirley Temple Black and she knows what she is doing. Now if she is disregarded for some reason that is another issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 April 9, 2009 WTF!!!The king should not even have allowed it. I wish he would have straightened him out. An American president bows to no one. Obama has no class or at least has no respect for the office! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #5 April 9, 2009 It isn't that big of a deal, and I agree they shouldn't have issued a correction. I suspect they did because they figured the same people that are bitching about an ipod would bitch about this. But once again, bowing, even if he was bowing, isn't a big deal. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #6 April 9, 2009 Quote... An American president bows to no one. Obama has no class or at least has no respect for the office! Reagan kissed Gorbachov. Does that mean they were lovers? Even if he did bow, why do you construe it as a sign of submission? In many parts of the world it would be seen as a sign of respect, nothing more.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 April 9, 2009 QuoteBut once again, bowing, even if he was bowing, isn't a big deal. .jim Even if he was bowing? If this isn't a bow, I'll eat my hat. And, if the bowing wasn't a big deal, then why didn't he bow to Queen Elizabeth? Why didn't he bow to any of the other heads of the G20?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #8 April 9, 2009 I'm not so upset about the bow since I'm getting used to the gaffes, but how dumb does the administration think we are? Trying to convince us that it wasn't a bow? Just admit it.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 April 9, 2009 QuoteAn American president bows to no one. At least not in publicWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 April 9, 2009 He wasn't bowing he was just checking out the Kings Rolex. QuoteAnd, if the bowing wasn't a big deal, then why didn't he bow to Queen Elizabeth? Why didn't he bow to any of the other heads of the G20? Because they can't fuck up your country by with holding the oil that it needs to stay on its feet.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #11 April 9, 2009 The only thing worse than the bow itself was the blatantly lame explanation. The white house says Mr. Obama was "bending" because he was grasping the King's hand with both of his hands and the King is shorter than him. One small problem - the video clearly shows Mr. Obama bowing while grasping the King's hand with only one hand, then standing back up and grasping the King's hand with a second hand. Couldn't they at least make their bullshit somewhat believable?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 April 9, 2009 The official denial of the bow wallows in a vast sea of lameness. The bow is just a courtesy, should not be taken as a sign of submission, etc. I would, however, have been happy if the bow had been about 1/10th as deep, no more than a slight lowering of the head is appropriate for the asshole Saudi king. I saw Margaret Thatcher curtsy to the piece of shit, that really looked ridiculous.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #13 April 9, 2009 Are you really surprised that our government is bowing down (and kissing up) to foreigners when our government and economy are supported by foreign investments and oil?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #14 April 9, 2009 Quote WTF!!!The king should not even have allowed it. I wish he would have straightened him out. An American president bows to no one. Obama has no class or at least has no respect for the office! OMG!!! I KNOW!!! Can you believe this??? What kind of Christian...er, I mean MUSLIM...is our President, holding a seder at the White House? Oh, and never mind that butt-buddy relationship that the Bushes had with Saudi royalty. This is SO much worse!!! Here's to hoping that the republican minority in Congress calls for an impeachment!! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #15 April 9, 2009 Quote Why lie about this? ... So, yes, it's a nit-pick...but what the hell... I suppose he lied in an attempt shut up the Limbaugh dittoheads out there who he knew would make a big deal out of utterly meaningless bullshit like this. Granted, it was a very lame explanation, and they could have fielded the needless controversy in a much more forthcoming way. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #16 April 9, 2009 QuoteAn American president bows to no one No man should ever bow to another man. It is actully againts Islamic tridtion so i am surprized as well. We only bow to God. I actully belive it is considered a sin to bow to another humane. Ps: Good to see you back dude.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #17 April 9, 2009 wow. WHO. THE. FUCK.. CARES. Seriously. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 April 9, 2009 Quote wow. WHO. THE. FUCK.. CARES. Seriously. What part of "protocol violation" do you not understand?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #19 April 9, 2009 hon, i was in the military for 10 years, i know what protocol is. I also know in the grand scheme of things, we have MUCH more important things to worry about. nevermind, i can see from this thread who cares about this Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 April 9, 2009 Quote hon, i was in the military for 10 years, i know what protocol is. I also know in the grand scheme of things, we have MUCH more important things to worry about. nevermind, i can see from this thread who cares about this Congratulation, darlin... I've been in the military or working directly with the military for the last 25 years - am I supposed to be impressed? Since you think this is 'no big deal', your self-professed knowledge of protocol is evidently lacking. Americans do not bow to foreign rulers. The President, representing all of the American people, ESPECIALLY does not bow.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #21 April 9, 2009 Quote wow. WHO. THE. FUCK.. CARES. Seriously. Please see my thread title: "A Nit-Pick Question..."So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #22 April 9, 2009 QuoteAmericans do not bow to foreign rulers. So if you met a Japanese man, you wouldn't bow to him? As far as Darius' assertion that Muslims never bow, I'll have to say that I saw plenty of bowing in Afghanistan, and not just to Allah. When people shake hands there, they place their other hand over their heart and often bow slightly. It's all cultural, not religious. Here's some pictures of other Americans bowing to foreign dignitaries for context. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 April 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteAmericans do not bow to foreign rulers. So if you met a Japanese man, you wouldn't bow to him? As far as Darius' assertion that Muslims never bow, I'll have to say that I saw plenty of bowing in Afghanistan, and not just to Allah. When people shake hands there, they place their other hand over their heart and often bow slightly. It's all cultural, not religious. Here's some pictures of other Americans bowing to foreign dignitaries for context. Only the second shot with the Pope could possibly be considered a bow - I'd have to see video for context to know for sure. Bending down to receive an award (Cheney) is NOT a bow. Perhaps you can show me where Obama bowed to Queen Elizabeth or any of the other G20 heads - I seem to have missed that footage somehow. There is quite a difference between a bow between equals (a 'head bow', as mentioned up-thread) and a full bow-and-scrape as a subject renders to their sovereign. You may wish to peruse the information provided on display of the US Flag in relation to other countries' flags for an idea of what is going on, here.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #24 April 9, 2009 QuotePerhaps you can show me where Obama bowed to Queen Elizabeth or any of the other G20 heads - I seem to have missed that footage somehow. Never said he did. QuoteThere is quite a difference between a bow between equals (a 'head bow', as mentioned up-thread) and a full bow-and-scrape as a subject renders to their sovereign. You may wish to peruse the information provided on display of the US Flag in relation to other countries' flags for an idea of what is going on, here. I know plenty about protocol. I've always thought it was rather silly. Maybe you can explain to us why you think this particular bow is so damaging to US interests? You can huff and puff all day, but until you can explain the damage done, I'll just see it as more partisan exaggeration. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #25 April 9, 2009 There's really no damage done. However, we just FINALLY completed 8 years of Bush making a fool out of the Oval Office and the American people....Obama was suppose to different, smarter, represent and bring hope and change and all that bs we bought into. DVDs, iPods, Red buttons with misinterpretrations, bowing to the oil king, touching the queen....we're a fucking joke. Edited to add: iPod with an Obama speach on it! WTF over?! www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
