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Re-read the 6th word of my quoted post.

Hint: it's between "how" and "causing"

Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic. I didn't realize that you actually believed that humans are causing temperatures to rise on Mars.

I was being sarcastic - sorry you couldn't figure it out. I'll try to remember to use tags next time.

Make up your mind. When I replied as though you were being sarcastic, you replied in a manner that implied that you were actually being serious.

Or are you just trying to draw attention to the fact that there just might be a reasonable explanation for warmer temperatures on Mars that is not inconsistent with anthropogenic global warming on earth?

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Make up your mind. When I replied as though you were being sarcastic, you replied in a manner that implied that you were actually being serious.

I wouldn't bother debating this subject with someone that quite obviously is ingnorant in the subject.

Human beings have been slowly ruining the planet at an exponential rate.

We all pay our part, and it is very sad indeed,

Those that can't see this and claim to be intelligent, are nothing more than ignoramus.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[lawrocket 3]

Would you explain to me what you mean by "ruining?"

People are melting all of some of the world's ice?

People are killing the flora and fauna and eliminating smallpox and stuff?

People are living longer lives?

Or could it be that the earth, like anything, changes and evolves and you don't like it? Could it be that humans are helping the world change and you don't like it?

If you were alive 10,000 years ago and noticed the glaciers melting would you think the earth is being destroyed? Would you say, "Wall of ice smaller since Bob start burning fire to cook meat. Bob ruining world."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Would you explain to me what you mean by "ruining?"

ru·in
n.

1. Total destruction or disintegration, either physical, moral, social, or economic.
2. A cause of total destruction.
3.
1. The act of destroying totally.
2. A destroyed person, object, or building.
4. The remains of something destroyed, disintegrated, or decayed. Often used in the plural: studied the ruins of ancient Greece.

v. tr.

1. To destroy completely; demolish.
2. To harm irreparably.
3. To reduce to poverty or bankruptcy.
4. To deprive of chastity.

v. intr.
To fall into ruin.

Our fragile environment, that is the provider of our health and well being is being completely ignored by many of the people that occupy this earth.

As much as the effects of human activity are stochastic, we often do completely ignore the repercussions of our activities and how they affect the environment in an unwitting, irreversible way.

Usually human beings react to a known problem, when it gets to the point that they have to....

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People are melting all of some of the world's ice?

No temperature is, there are natural influences and there are human influences. We cannot ingore either.

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People are killing the flora and fauna

damn straight they are, ask anyone that knws anything about native species (from any country) and the negative effect of introduced species on the natives.

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and eliminating smallpox and stuff?

ah yest they are, there are very intellegent people doing amazing, positive things and there are very intellegent people doing audaciuos and consequently negative things, in the quest for fame or fortune.

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Or could it be that the earth, like anything, changes and evolves and you don't like it? Could it be that humans are helping the world change and you don't like it?

I accept the earth changes naturally, and have seen conclusive evidence of that, but I do not like how people are doing it recklessly and without regret.

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If you were alive 10,000 years ago and noticed the glaciers melting would you think the earth is being destroyed? Would you say, "Wall of ice smaller since Bob start burning fire to cook meat. Bob ruining world."

Stupid question but i'll answer it.

if i was alive 10,000 years ago i would not have the brain capacity to understand these subjects as we do today. This is what makes it so sad, we do have the ability to change, we do have ther recources and knowhow, but we don't want to because it is seemingly comfortable living they way we know rather than aspiring to have what we all know we need.

Peace, understanding and harmony. This is with each other and with our surroundings and its inhabitants.

A little respect goes a long way.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,116]

>And the temperature increase on Mars is obviously man-made by the
>Mars rover, right?

Yep. Just like there's a conspiracy within the scientific community to send giant refrigerators to Uranus to cool it down!

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This is what makes it so sad, we do have the ability to change, we do have ther recources and knowhow, but we don't want to because it is seemingly comfortable living they way we know rather than aspiring to have what we all know we need.

Dont worry man we support you ! Go ahead and stop skydiving. No more meat for you or cars or even public transpertation. Hell dont buy anything from the store cuase it got there by truck, train, or plane. Matter of fact you should kill ever animal you see so they dont kill the enviroment At least practice what you preach.

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[lawrocket 3]

ru·in
n.

1. Total destruction or disintegration, either physical - nope. We aren't Alderon.

, moral - aha! We may be on to something here. I'll get back to it, Reverend...

social - nope. Society will exist. Maybe not in a form you like.

or economic (no. Economics will still be there.)

2. A cause of total destruction. - I don't think this applies.
3.
1. The act of destroying totally.
2. A destroyed person, object, or building.
4. The remains of something destroyed, disintegrated, or decayed. Often used in the plural: studied the ruins of ancient Greece. - I don't think these apply, either


v. tr.

1. To destroy completely; demolish. - destroy the environment? No. There will still be one. There just may be a land bridge again in the future.
2. To harm irreparably. - like the land flooded. Describe "harm.". "Harm" is when I stub my toe. Therefore, we all are harmed. No. What you consider "harm" is not objective. It is a subjective construct. Turning "subjective" into "objective" is what religions do. NoKo missiles are harmful, right? Yeah, to those who feel threatened. I take it NoKo doesn't see it that way.

3. To reduce to poverty or bankruptcy. - yes. What environmental regulations will do to many. I agree with you there.

4. To deprive of chastity.- so we are fucking virgin earth? Cool. Laying virgins. Sweet!

v. intr.
To fall into ruin. - circular.


Our fragile [God], that is the provider of our health and well being is being completely ignored by many of the people that occupy this earth. - hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Do you feel the power of the good book! Those who disagree are sinners and are the evil colleagues of Lucifer and must be converted! Send money to...

As much as the effects of human activity are stochastic, we often do completely ignore the repercussions of our activities and how they affect the environment in an unwitting, irreversible way. - agreed, we further completely ignore how our environment afeects us in an irreversible way. For example, how ice ages ending lead to agriculture.

Usually human beings react to a known problem, when it gets to the point that they have to.... - and humans have a long history of killing heretics and false attribution, as well.

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People are melting all of some of the world's ice?

No temperature is, there are natural influences and there are human influences. We cannot ingore either. - EXACTLY! So, what can we do about natural influences.

Ooops. We may have stumbled on something there. We must stop the earth from its natural inclinations if we don't like it. Antienvironmental environmentalism. It's like an anti-missile missile. Or an anti-prostestor protestor. Or an anti-skinhead skinhead.

The earth must remain as we want it. This is what I am getting at.

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People are killing the flora and fauna

damn straight they are, ask anyone that knws anything about native species (from any country) and the negative effect of introduced species on the natives. - Cane toads in Australia. The Golden Apple Snail in the Philipinnes. Those damned rats I kill every fall.

My word. New Zealand is a veritable chain of idiocy. "Let's bring rabbits and opposums to hunt. Shit. Rabbits are screwing not only with native plants but desroying our sheep pastures. Stoats hunt rabbits. Let's bring some stoats in. They kill oppossums, too. Shit. They killed off bats and kiwis. And welve still got those damned rabbits and oppossums."

This is without saying. They have been devastating.

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and eliminating smallpox and stuff?

ah yest they are, there are very intellegent people doing amazing, positive things and there are very intellegent people doing audaciuos and consequently negative things, in the quest for fame or fortune.

What is good and bad? In the objective view, smallpox is no different from the unfortunate kiwi - except we set out to destroy it.

Human needs taking precedence over nature. Fine in one aspect and shitty in another? We SET OUT to make something extinct.

Which shows that this is merely a drawing of the lines. I don't have a problem with you drawing your own lines. But everybody's line is different because it is subjective.

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Or could it be that the earth, like anything, changes and evolves and you don't like it? Could it be that humans are helping the world change and you don't like it?

I accept the earth changes naturally, and have seen conclusive evidence of that, but I do not like how people are doing it recklessly and without regret. - and there we go again. What price is to be paid. I think it is reckless. But it is an argument that something shouldn't be done for the sake of not doing it because of independent right and wrong. That didn't work, so the devil and damnation must be brought up in a convincing fashion. Meanwhile, many leaderd (like Al Gore) are the quintessential priest claiming that sex is wrong, homosexual sex is worse and sucking dicks on the side.

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If you were alive 10,000 years ago and noticed the glaciers melting would you think the earth is being destroyed? Would you say, "Wall of ice smaller since Bob start burning fire to cook meat. Bob ruining world."

Stupid question but i'll answer it. - I'm good at stupid.

if i was alive 10,000 years ago i would not have the brain capacity to understand these subjects as we do today. - that's a bit arrogant, isn't it? In 10,000 years could we not be considered utter morons for our present understanding?

This is what makes it so sad, we do have the ability to change, we do have ther recources and knowhow, but we don't want to because it is seemingly comfortable living they way we know rather than aspiring to have what we all know we need. - right. It isn't worth it.

Only hell and damnation and group dynamics can make it work.

Peace, understanding and harmony. This is with each other and with our surroundings and its inhabitants. - tell that to smallpox. Oops. We killed it willingly and happily for our own comfortable living and our needs.

A little respect goes a long way - I prefer "healthy" respect. How can we use a resources for our benefit and ensure their survival so we can continue to utilize them.

It's my line. There's nothing wrong with your line.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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At least practice what you preach.

I do, I live relatively economically while fullfilling my aspirations.

I could, be a recluse in the woods living off the land if I wish or I could be a selfish wasteful asshole who will stop at nothing to make a buck.

I choose something in between like most of us.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Yep. Just like there's a conspiracy within the scientific community to send giant refrigerators to Uranus to cool it down!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Our fragile [God], that is the provider of our health and well being is being completely ignored by many of the people that occupy this earth. - hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Do you feel the power of the good book! Those who disagree are sinners and are the evil colleagues of Lucifer and must be converted! Send money to...

WTF what do those morons have to do with this.

Christians often couldn't give a shit about the environment because according to them everything was created for man to use.

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Ooops. We may have stumbled on something there. We must stop the earth from its natural inclinations if we don't like it. Antienvironmental environmentalism. It's like an anti-missile missile. Or an anti-prostestor protestor. Or an anti-skinhead skinhead.

geez you have some bizzare analogies, it seems you are steering away from the point.

Natural influence can be affected by our actions, and we should strive to have as minimal negative impact on the environment while living an enjoyable lifestyle.

This is not impossible and does not mean we have to stop doing the things we already do completly maybe just different,we should be open to the suggestion of change and try to understand what impact we have in relation to the things we do.

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The earth must remain as we want it. This is what I am getting at.

No, the Earth is how it is and we should resect that not be so selfish about it.

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My word. New Zealand is a veritable chain of idiocy. "Let's bring rabbits and opposums to hunt. Shit. Rabbits are screwing not only with native plants but desroying our sheep pastures. Stoats hunt rabbits. Let's bring some stoats in. They kill oppossums, too. Shit. They killed off bats and kiwis. And welve still got those damned rabbits and oppossums."

This is without saying. They have been devastating.

That is a perfect example of what we are talking about and I am glad you understand how stupid that situation is, it was actually the English that brought the rabbits as the only real New Zealanders at the time were Maori. they themselves bought rats.

http://christchurchcitylibraries.com/Kids/NZBirdsAnimals/Rabbits/

New Zealands ecology is unique and the fuckwits that introduced the rabbits purely for something to shoot and make the place feel like home were indeed idiots. the depatemnt of conservation now spends many millions of dollars fighting a seemingly endless battle tring to save what is left.

If the idiots new in the first place knew what they were inadvertantly doing, they most likely would not have done so, it is the education that changes everything.

The fat lazy cunt driving his big ass pickup truck to the store, that is within walking distace to get his pack of ciggies is the current problem, they have the opportunity to be less wasteful but decide that shit is only for hippies.

attitude and education is the key to the battle but it is a losing battel when you are dealing with a instinctively lazy and selfish bunch of primates such as the human race.

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What is good and bad? In the objective view, smallpox is no different from the unfortunate kiwi - except we set out to destroy it.

People did not set out to destroy the Kiwi, they set out to have something to shoot, then they had the problem of erosion, then the problem of stoats, weasels and ferrets, prefering the flightless birds of the undergrowth rather than the agile fast rabbits. like us the stoats, weasels and ferrets take the easiest road.

You compare a passive flightless bird eating grubs to an infectious disease? what a comparison?

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Human needs taking precedence over nature. Fine in one aspect and shitty in another? We SET OUT to make something extinct.

I don't belive that is true, it is true that some specialised wealthy hunters/consumers have been known to target endangered species, but generally speaking most extinctions happen due to greedy consumtion not intentional extinction. The seal hunters would have prefered the numbers of seals to remain high but they did not because their greed compelled them to take what was left while the going was good.

luckily the number were still there to adequtely replenish the population over a period of time, some specied did not have that priviledge.

other species become extint due to inadvertant mistakes.

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What is good and bad?... ...Which shows that this is merely a drawing of the lines. I don't have a problem with you drawing your own lines. But everybody's line is different because it is subjective.

Good and bad is subjective when we leave the definition in the hands of the beholder, the true definition is whether the subject produces a negative or positive outcome. Kiwis forraging in the undegrowth is part of the natural cycle.

Where smallpox is also part of the cycle, and played its part in population control for 1000's of years, it has a negative effect on our life if we are subject to it and can be distinctly defined as bad.

I see your point through, but the effects of smallpox is undesiarable to humans and seemingly negative, but kiwis or turtles or most endangered species are loved and cherished by many but abused and exploited by the whole processof existance we have created, that we call life.

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Human needs taking precedence over nature. Fine in one aspect and shitty in another? We SET OUT to make something extinct.

I think you are talking about human wants, not human needs.

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nd there we go again. What price is to be paid. I think it is reckless. But it is an argument that something shouldn't be done for the sake of not doing it because of independent right and wrong. That didn't work, so the devil and damnation must be brought up in a convincing fashion. Meanwhile, many leaderd (like Al Gore) are the quintessential priest claiming that sex is wrong, homosexual sex is worse and sucking dicks on the side.

Human fables and reality are two separate things.

I (and many others) can tell the difference but it seems a high proportion of the human population cannot.

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Only hell and damnation and group dynamics can make it work.

so i take it you are pushing a christian agenda?

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Peace, understanding and harmony. This is with each other and with our surroundings and its inhabitants. - tell that to smallpox. Oops. We killed it willingly and happily for our own comfortable living and our needs.

nothing peacfull about smallpox!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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WTF what do those morons have to do with this.

Christians often couldn't give a shit about the environment because according to them everything was created for man to use.

What a crock of shit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXdiORUo40I&feature=related

piss off...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[mnealtx 0]

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Natural influence can be affected by our actions, and we should strive to have as minimal negative impact on the environment while living an enjoyable lifestyle.

Evidently, only so long as other's 'enjoyable lifestyle' meets with YOUR approval.... or was the 'cunts that don't care about the environment' just your idea of an affectionate jibe?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Evidently, only so long as other's 'enjoyable lifestyle' meets with YOUR approval....

No so long as we all can co exist without negatively effecting each others ability to do so, by being greedy and selfish.

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or was the 'cunts that don't care about the environment' just your idea of an affectionate jibe?

No that steriotype is that apitomy of selfish and lazy, it was not directed at anyone in particular.

Why do you ask, are you fat, lazy and drive a behemouth pick up truck distances that you could easily walk?



It is funny how this conversation has strayed because those that don't care for the environment, don't quite understand themselves.

Really this conversation should be about the melting ice caps and the potential connection of human activity but that notion is shunned by ignorant one liners.

I'm gonna agree to disagree and leave it at that!

We do need to start caring more though or we will not be providing a very comfortable future for our next generations. Myself included.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[jerryzflies 0]

It's pitiful to watch the way you deniers have had to change your tune from "It's not happening" to "it ended in 1998" to "OK, it's happening but it's nothing to do with us".

Pitiful!

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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It's pitiful to watch the way you deniers have had to change your tune from "It's not happening" to "it ended in 1998" to "OK, it's happening but it's nothing to do with us".

Pitiful!

Adjustments to the argument changes made by you alarmists is pitiful?????

Weeeellllllllllll aaallllllllrrrrrrriiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttttyyyyy then

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

I love my 1 ton 1994 chevy 4x4 with the newly installed stroked 383 cid small block that has all polution devices removed and is running on a carb.

It kicks ass

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXdiORUo40I&feature=related

that is some funny shit, not too sure what the relevance is though but could care less.

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piss off...

A valid argument to say the least, how profound of you i stand corrected!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I love my 1 ton 1994 chevy 4x4 with the newly installed stroked 383 cid small block that has all polution devices removed and is running on a carb.

It kicks ass

Exactly the attitude I'd expect from a Neo-Con.

I bet you're proud of yourself.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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I love my 1 ton 1994 chevy 4x4 with the newly installed stroked 383 cid small block that has all polution devices removed and is running on a carb.

It kicks ass[Smile]

You love it because you need to haul some heavy shit, or you love it because it is big and powerful?

There is a use for these things, but very few actually need them, i am interested in why you love it?

Seriously.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I love my 1 ton 1994 chevy 4x4 with the newly installed stroked 383 cid small block that has all polution devices removed and is running on a carb.

It kicks ass

Exactly the attitude I'd expect from a Neo-Con.

I bet you're proud of yourself.

I am!!

I am most proud that you have no effect on my thoughts or how I "feel" about myself!!

The feeling part really has to gall you ass I bet

Neo Con? If you say so.

I will take my postition over the nut case things I have seen posted here by your side anyday.

Get you tinfoil hats out and maybe you will not have to think YOU need to control those who do not agree with you.

Me? I want a clean environment for me and my kids AND I want those who think like you to, LEAVE ME AND LIFESTYLE THE FUCK ALONE!!!!!!

Control your own ass, not mine.

Damn, that felt good

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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A valid argument to say the least, how profound of you i stand corrected!

I'm glad you got the point.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[rushmc 23]

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I love my 1 ton 1994 chevy 4x4 with the newly installed stroked 383 cid small block that has all polution devices removed and is running on a carb.

It kicks ass[Smile]

You love it because you need to haul some heavy shit, or you love it because it is big and powerful?

There is a use for these things, but very few actually need them, i am interested in why you love it?

Seriously.

Actully both. It is fun to drive and it is powerful. A well built balanced engine that I built is an acomplishment I am proud of. I tought myself to build and rebuild engines.

It sits most of the time because I dont want to put gas into it (I have a car for my 20 mile work commute) and I use the truck to pull a dump trailer where I get rock for my drive and up to 3 tons of compost for my garden. (it is better than ferilizer).

Sometimes I just drive it cause I want to. Cause its fun.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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It's pitiful to watch the way you deniers have had to change your tune from "It's not happening" to "it ended in 1998" to "OK, it's happening but it's nothing to do with us".

Pitiful!

Speaking of pitiful, maybe you cultists can eventually come up with a theory that actually shows the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period.

Until then, every time you mention man (or is that Mann?) - made climate change, I'm going to ask how we made the temperature rise on Mars and Titan.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I'm going to ask how we made the temperature rise on Mars and Titan.

by just not caring enough - don't you know that intentions are more important than actions or reason?

won't someone please think of the children?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

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It's pitiful to watch the way you deniers have had to change your tune from "It's not happening" to "it ended in 1998" to "OK, it's happening but it's nothing to do with us".

Pitiful!

Speaking of pitiful, maybe you cultists can eventually come up with a theory that actually shows the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period.

Until then, every time you mention man (or is that Mann?) - made climate change, I'm going to ask how we made the temperature rise on Mars and Titan.

I found the one post how we change our point very very funny. Seeing how they contantly change the name of the dreamed up issue and try and keep it in a crisis mode so they can push thier shit on the rest of us.

But to them this is a religious journey and not a scientific one now is it?

(to those who will flame me yet again, I used to believe as you do. Seeing and reading the debates, science, altered computer models, BIG holes in your data and postions have made me a skeptic or as you all like to label me, a "denier". Until you can explain multiple holes in your arguments (which you cant now) you have an up hill battle on your hands)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln