philh 0 #1 March 31, 2009 Its still hard to get over how easy it is for the SCAm (Supplements, Complimentary and Alternative Medicine) Industry to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public. I recently read these fantastic books throughly exploring (and mostly debunking )alterntive therapists and nutrionists and the like ). Anyway here they are , in case you are interested: http://www.trickortreatment.com/ and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/non_fictionreviews/3561272/Review-Bad-Science-by-Ben-Goldacre.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #2 March 31, 2009 It's a long established fact that the whole vitamin & nutritional supplement business is BS. Very very very few people need them. If a person eats any kind of decent diet at all, the pills are a total waste. Remember the old Geritol commercial; with the microscopic image of blood cells before and after Geritol. If your blood cells looked like the before picture, you would most definitely already be dead." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 March 31, 2009 Quote Remember the old Geritol commercial... Ha ha; you're dating yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #4 March 31, 2009 Quote Dont get suckered in by SCams That's good advice man....thanks!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #5 March 31, 2009 QuoteRemember the old Geritol commercial; with the microscopic image of blood cells before and after Geritol. If your blood cells looked like the before picture, you would most definitely already be dead. No, don't remember it. How old is it? Do you (or anyone) have a link to still images or video? It sounds like a great illustration w/r/t appropriating science, imo. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #6 March 31, 2009 1950s and 60s apparently... Some of these are hilariously bad. Synopsis: Does your wife suffer from being tired all the time and from being a woman? Does this cut into her favorite activities like doing the dishes and pleasing you in bed? Studies have shown women are, what we doctors call, "on the rag," which leaves them anemic. Put an end to this nonsense with our alcoholic iron supplement! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #8 March 31, 2009 QuoteIf a person eats any kind of decent diet at all, the pills are a total waste. What most Americans eat is a long, long way from any kind of decent diet. Even celebrities mock green vegetables, and Americans laugh with them. The SAD (Standard American Diet) is so far beyond decent, that pills and drugs are about the only thing keeping many of them alive.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 March 31, 2009 As opposed to the typical Eastern European fare, or worse, the depressing British fare (well, I hear they all just eat Indian now)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #10 March 31, 2009 QuoteAs opposed to the typical Eastern European fare, or worse, the depressing British fare (well, I hear they all just eat Indian now)? Actually, I'm pretty sure that both old/depressing and contemporary British foods are better for you than the typical American diet. After we had kids I started paying more attention to the nutrition labels on the food we bought. Bread is a great example. They're getting better these days with the recent push back towards whole grains, but I was and still am amazed at how hard it is to buy a loaf of bread in which High Fructose Corn syrup isn't the second or third ingredient on the list. Actually, HFCS is a major contributor to much of the food you see on the shelves. In addition, we here in the US have a severe tendency to process the nutrition out of food. The upside/downside, depending on your point of view, is that bad food is cheap. A 1000 calorie cheeseburger will cost you much less than a healthy salad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 March 31, 2009 Quote Actually, I'm pretty sure that both old/depressing and contemporary British foods are better for you than the typical American diet. haggis, blood sausage, "bacon," fish and chips, Guiness? Quote A 1000 calorie cheeseburger will cost you much less than a healthy salad. Aye, just bought my $10 salad for lunch. Not as filling either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #12 March 31, 2009 Quote haggis, blood sausage, "bacon," fish and chips, Guiness? Not that you would want to in all instances, but you can read the ingredient list of each of those fares without having to consult the Merck Index Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #13 March 31, 2009 Quote Quote If a person eats any kind of decent diet at all, the pills are a total waste. What most Americans eat is a long, long way from any kind of decent diet. Even celebrities mock green vegetables, and Americans laugh with them. The SAD (Standard American Diet) is so far beyond decent, that pills and drugs are about the only thing keeping many of them alive. Can't live for ever you know http://www.usatriathlon.org/news/article/6596 http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/07/10/triathlete_died_of_a_heart_attack/ Bet they left a perty corpse tho. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 March 31, 2009 I'm not sure the point you were trying to make with the second article. A duffer has a heart attack in the first (swim leg) of a spring triathlon, about same as a 10k run. Typical performance for that leg is 5-15 minutes, with the majority under 10. So he suffered the event after perhaps 5 minutes of racing. I doubt the sport had any relevance, and he could have been in any level of shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #15 March 31, 2009 The point is we all die no matter what kind of diet anyone has. I wasn't trying to imply it is better to live an unhealthy life. However, criticizing someone's lifestyle choice is both ignorant and arrogant.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #16 March 31, 2009 QuoteThe point is we all die no matter what kind of diet anyone has. I wasn't trying to imply it is better to live an unhealthy life. However, criticizing someone's lifestyle choice is both ignorant and arrogant. The Death Camp of Tolerance QuoteTour Guide: This is our discovery wing. Take your time at the computer displays, because you see, being tolerant you must also respect people who are small, people who are disabled, even people who are overweight, like this young man here. Cartman: Ey! Tour Guide: You other boys have probably called this young man names like "tubby," or "lardbutt," or "fat tits,"... Kyle: "Fat tits." That's a good one. Stan: Yeah, I have to remember that. Tour Guide: But you must learn to be tolerant of his differences as well. If he chooses to eat fatty foods, that's his life choice. Cartman: I'm not fat, I have a different life choice. Tour Guide: And we won't belittle you for eating lots of cookies and cakes and pies. Cartman: Duhuhude, tolerance kicks ass! Randy: That's our Cartman."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #17 March 31, 2009 QuoteThe point is we all die no matter what kind of diet anyone has. Sure, but the diet of a would be sprint triathlete could be just about anything. He could have been powered by the awesome power of apples in bar form, like Homer when he took on the Murderhorn. OTOH, with a 53yo elite endurance athlete you can make fair assumptions about his diet running up until at least his late 30s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #18 April 1, 2009 QuoteThey're getting better these days with the recent push back towards whole grains, but I was and still am amazed at how hard it is to buy a loaf of bread in which High Fructose Corn syrup isn't the second or third ingredient on the list. Fuck 'em, make your own bread. Easy as, and you can put whatever you want into it. QuoteThe upside/downside, depending on your point of view, is that bad food is cheap. A 1000 calorie cheeseburger will cost you much less than a healthy salad. Buy less pre-prepared stuff.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #19 April 1, 2009 Quotehaggis, blood sausage, "bacon," fish and chips, Guiness? Yeah, that's definitely what most British people eat...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 April 1, 2009 QuoteQuotehaggis, blood sausage, "bacon," fish and chips, Guiness? Yeah, that's definitely what most British people eat... Yes, that's how generalizations work. But really, what "English" food do you eat, as opposed to transplanted cuisine? Actually, I need to know, since I'll be working in the London office for 2 weeks next month. What do most Americans eat? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #21 April 1, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe upside/downside, depending on your point of view, is that bad food is cheap. A 1000 calorie cheeseburger will cost you much less than a healthy salad. Buy less pre-prepared stuff. Exactly! It's less convenient. And you have to maybe cook (which I kinda hate)... but it is A LOT more healthy to buy fresh veggies, real meat and make a meal. As opposed to buying a Swansons pre made dinner that you "heat and serve." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #22 April 1, 2009 Quote Yes, that's how generalizations work. But really, what "English" food do you eat, as opposed to transplanted cuisine? Damned if I know. Quote What do most Americans eat? Pretty much the same as what most Brits eat; cheap, tasteless fat filled crap, except slightly fattier (our obesity rate hasn't quite caught up with yours yet).Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 April 1, 2009 Quote Pretty much the same as what most Brits eat; cheap, tasteless fat filled crap, except slightly fattier (our obesity rate hasn't quite caught up with yours yet). not what I hear! And the Aussies passed us both. At best, it's a dead heat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #24 April 1, 2009 More bacon bread please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #25 April 1, 2009 Quote Quote Remember the old Geritol commercial... Ha ha; you're dating yourself. And have made it this far without ever taking supplements, vitamins, "herbal remedies" or any of that other snake oil bullshit." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
