Another nutter cop with a gun

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http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_12015787

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The Denver police officer charged with three counts of attempted murder for allegedly firing her gun at three law officers in South Dakota remained on the Police Department force despite an earlier history of improper use of a firearm.

Kachina McAlexander, 31, was arrested Tuesday for allegedly firing her gun several times at officers at a motel near Custer, S.D. That state's attorney general, Larry Long, said the officers were checking on her and found her with a gun in her hand.

Two Custer County deputies and a Highway Patrol officer were not hurt. McAlexander was arrested and remained in jail Friday.

She is charged with three counts of attempted second-degree murder and three counts of aggravated assault against a law-enforcement officer. No bond was set pending a mental-health evaluation.

Both Long's office and Custer County officials declined to comment further or to release an incident report.

According to a police affidavit acquired by 9News, McAlexander refused to put her gun down when law officers arrived outside her Super 8 motel room. The police had been called because McAlexander's mother had said she was concerned about her welfare after a phone call.

McAlexander was hit by a Taser and then fired 10 shots at officers who had backed away from the door, the affidavit said. She surrendered and said that "she instinctly returned fire," the affidavit said.

Adams County court records show that on June 6, 2006, authorities charged McAlexander with prohibited use of a weapon, a class 2 misdemeanor, and reckless endangerment, a class 3 misdemeanor, after she shot up her basement walls and television in the basement of her house.

Court testimony said that on that date, McAlexander summoned her girlfriend to her home to pick up her belongings. When the woman showed up, she found a suicide note on the front door, the testimony said.

The woman called the Adams County Sheriff's Department, and when deputies entered the home, they found McAlexander alive but lying down in the basement. They also discovered that McAlexander had fired several shots from a semiautomatic handgun into the walls and the television.

A county-court judge acquitted McAlexander, stating that no reasonable jury would find her actions sufficient for a conviction.

The office of Adams County District Attorney Don Quick appealed the acquittal, but on April 16, 2007, Adams County District Court Judge Chris Melonakis rejected the appeal.

Denver Safety Manager Al LaCabe, who oversees the Police Department, and Deputy Chief John Lamb said they were prohibited from discussing how the department handled the incident. But it is clear that McAlexander remained on the force.

Detective Sharon Avendano, a spokeswoman for the Police Department, said McAlexander has been suspended from the force without pay pending an internal-affairs investigation.

Avendano said McAlexander worked in the department's records unit, in the bureau of research, training and development.

Avendano said that as a sworn officer, McAlexander was authorized to carry a police-issued firearm.

Why didn't they take her gun away after the first incident?

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Hi Riddler

She was a LEO

She needed her gun to protect herself from "them"

The fact that the lady was suspended after the lastest incident without pay, tells me that her deptarment and union fnally get it.

I hope this is the end of the story.

[Capt.Slog 0]

To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

I can not think of any profesion who's mental situation would be watched more than a cop. Yet it happnes.

What law would have prevented this? Or should I say, what NEW law?



I think the Denver legal system failed her and us but come on man, what would YOU do other than follow through after the first time, that was not done here?

Maybe we should take guns away from everybody? Even if that would be unconstitutional.........

What does Scotty think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[JohnMitchell 16]

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

1-Was this a massacre? What's the body count?

2- Do police departments no longer do psych evals? This woman was evaluated by the police and told to carry a gun as part of her job. She was a government employee, one of the few that would have a firearm if some people could have their way. How much further would you test private citizens to see if they were "fit" to possess firearms?

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2- Do police departments no longer do psych evals? This woman was evaluated by the police and told to carry a gun as part of her job. She was a government employee, one of the few that would have a firearm if some people could have their way. How much further would you test private citizens to see if they were "fit" to possess firearms?l

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Hi John

AFAIK Police depts do pysch evals but what happens to the son or grandson of cop who's been on the job for 20-30yr's.

Remember the chief of police from Tacoma? The police dept lost his pysch eval for 20 plus yrs until he made it to chief of police and killed his wife and himself.

The misplaced report showed that the chief flunked his pysch eval when he applied o be a rookie cop.

The police need to erase the thin blue line and clean their own house of their bad apples rather than the give the public the sad excuss of a impartial dept review board that gives their own a free pass.

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

1-Was this a massacre? What's the body count?

Patience - you only ever have to wait an hour or two and you'll get your body count.

www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7205652&page=1

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

1-Was this a massacre? What's the body count?

Patience - you only ever have to wait an hour or two and you'll get your body count.

www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7205652&page=1

I wonder where all the "shall issue ccw" holders were, it was a cop that ended it, as is usually the case.

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

Please cease misquoting me.

Then try adding something constructive, like what law you would like to see passed that would stop nuts from obtaining guns.

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

Please cease misquoting me.

Then try adding something constructive, like what law you would like to see passed that would stop nuts from obtaining guns.

and here is another one
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/30/california.shooting/index.html

It virtually pointless to discuss laws, I've tried and all I get is the "criminal/nutters will find a way around laws" response. I agree some will but I would be OK with laws that lead to a reduction in gun crime not just those that eliminate it.
I would start with with mandatory federal mental and criminal checks on all gun sales including private transfer of ownership, lack of screening and gun running are serious problems that need to be tackled.

[Capt.Slog 0]

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To paraphrase John Rich, a few shooting massacres are a small price to pay for the right of nutters to claim they are sane without anyone checking up to see if they are telling the truth.

Please cease misquoting me.

Then try adding something constructive, like what law you would like to see passed that would stop nuts from obtaining guns.

and here is another one
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/30/california.shooting/index.html

It virtually pointless to discuss laws, I've tried and all I get is the "criminal/nutters will find a way around laws" response. I agree some will but I would be OK with laws that lead to a reduction in gun crime not just those that eliminate it.
I would start with with mandatory federal mental and criminal checks on all gun sales including private transfer of ownership, lack of screening and gun running are serious problems that need to be tackled.

There IS a mandatory mental check - on the form the buyer is asked if he (or she) is a nutter. If they respond "no", then they pass. Effective, eh?

The laws are so weak due to the influence of the gun lobby that they might as well not exist at all.

[TomAiello 26]

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There IS a mandatory mental check - on the form the buyer is asked if he (or she) is a nutter. If they respond "no", then they pass.

I'm curious when the last time you bought a gun was?

The last time I purchased a firearm, I had my ID run through both a state law enforcement system and a federal (FBI) instant check system. They ran computer checks against my background, and had some sort of psychiatric evaluation come back with warnings, it would have been posted in one or both places (along with criminal records and some other things like terrorism issues).

I'm sure there are jurisdictions where there are no checks at all, but personally, I don't know where they are.

I admit that you can purchase some firearms face to face with another private party (not a dealer, whether at a gun show or not), and that puts the burden of checking on the selling party, which is at it should be.

-- Tom Aiello

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and had some sort of psychiatric evaluation come back with warnings,

do tell - anything we need to know about?

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[riddler 0]

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Do police departments no longer do psych evals?

I was thinking the same thing. I recall hearing about a local bank, a few miles from my house. A lady applied for a job there, and they did a psych-eval, which said based on her profile, she was likely to rob the bank. They turned her down for the job. A week later, she came back to the bank and robbed it. Remembering this made me think that if the psych-evals are reasonably good, they should be able to flag a woman that would eventually threaten suicide, shoot up her own house, and empty a clip at other police officers.

Anyway, I don't see laws (or the lack thereof) as the problem in this case. I see the police department having ineffective policies as the problem. Citizens in the US have a right to carry guns, but police officers are required to do so. They should be under more scrutiny, and they should lose their weapon for any violent misconduct.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Patience - you only ever have to wait an hour or two and you'll get your body count.

www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7205652&page=1

I wonder where all the "shall issue ccw" holders were, it was a cop that ended it, as is usually the case.

Usually? You'll have a difficult time supporting that assertation.

But in this case, the nursing home population is not really the ideal CCW holder. People who are there are by definition not well, and that's aside from any legal or possible business driven bans within the premises.

[JohnRich 4]

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I would start with with mandatory federal mental and criminal checks on all gun sales including private transfer of ownership.

And when that doesn't stop mass shootings, what then?

[kelpdiver 2]

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I would start with with mandatory federal mental and criminal checks on all gun sales including private transfer of ownership.

And when that doesn't stop mass shootings, what then?

Easy, John. We take that owner bracelet used on the smart gun technology, but enhance it so it measures blood pressure and pulse regularity like the Chinese herbolists do. With that it's easy to identify if the user is in an improper state of mind and disable the weapon.

[Capt.Slog 0]

You never have to wait long for the body count to increase.

By WILLIAM KATES
The Associated Press
Friday, April 3, 2009; 3:09 PM

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- Gov. David Paterson says "12 or 13" people were killed in an attack on an immigration services center in Binghamton, N.Y.

A federal law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity also says the shooter has been found dead in the building.

Officials and media reports have said as many as 41 hostages were taken.

The law enforcement official says the gunman entered the building through the front while firing. He had already blocked the back door

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You never have to wait long for the body count to increase.

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- Gov. David Paterson says "12 or 13" people were killed in an attack on an immigration services center in Binghamton, N.Y.

Note the location.

This will probably turn out to be racially motivated.

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You never have to wait long for the body count to increase.

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- Gov. David Paterson says "12 or 13" people were killed in an attack on an immigration services center in Binghamton, N.Y.

Note the location.

This will probably turn out to be racially motivated.

And, would anybody care to state the gun control laws in that city?

To your point, I feel many would be surprised to see how many gun killings are drug dealer related. Especially when children are listed in the numbers

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnRich 4]

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You never have to wait long for the body count to increase.

A bad man with a gun used it to take lives.
Good men with guns arrived, ending the shooting spree, saving lives.

What should you conclude from this?

Guns can be used for either good or evil. Guns by themselves are neither.
It is men that determine for which they will be used.
So the mere presence of a gun should not automatically be considered a bad thing.

What law would you pass that you believe would have prevented this shooting?

Should people being terminated from their jobs have their homes raided and their guns confiscated?

[JohnRich 4]

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Note the location. This will probably turn out to be racially motivated.

The motivation is a bit mysterious at this point. He was a Vietnamese man, apparently being laid-off work from IBM. So he chooses to attack an immigration charity center? It makes no sense...

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Note the location. This will probably turn out to be racially motivated.

The motivation is a bit mysterious at this point. He was a Vietnamese man, apparently being laid-off work from IBM. So he chooses to attack an immigration charity center? It makes no sense...

Anti-immigrant perhaps - as a slightly more established citizen, resented new ones from competing with him for work. Many of the Vietnamese immigrants are staunchly conservative, hence not a fan of Ho Chi Minh.

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That's the 5th mass shooting spree by a nutter in the last month.

Clearly the present laws are working well The NRA must be well pleased with itself.

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You never have to wait long for the body count to increase.

A bad man with a gun used it to take lives.
Good men with guns arrived, ending the shooting spree, saving lives.

What should you conclude from this?

That we should do a far better job of ensuring that only good men get guns.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.