revisiting 911 truth in the Obama days...

[rhys 0]

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From the horses mouth, it all starts with hatred. I don't know about you but before I start an investigation of something I like to get good and angry and hate-filled. I find it helps me stay objective.

sayyour mother was killed by someone for thier personal financial gain, and you mother dod no wrong, n fact you mother was a hero tryoing to save many others in strife.

How do you think you would feel about the killer if they publicly lied about it and blamed someone else and pursued killing them also?

hatred and anger are only the initial catalysts forthe search for truth, over time both the deniers and the truthers become acustomed to thier positions and in the then you learn to ignore to ignorant, arrogant, cold hearted bullshit you get from deniers and begin tohave a rational debate, after so called educated, professionals contnue to ignore basic physics, and try to swing their biased and unfounded positons around so it seems as though you are lying, when the evidence says otherwise...

You learn to just roll yor eyes back and get on witnh it.

All they do is make fools of themselves and archive it for ever more.

When the truth becomes mainstream these 'hard core' debunkers will be seen as nothing more than the idiots they proved themseleve to be while lying to protect their ego and integrety.

Anyone with reason will already see that, most will not coment because it is evident that they also will be ridiculed by the deniers, ridicule is a battle weapon and it has got the deniers through a decade of lies, the lies are being watered down contiually however and they are losing momentum, very rapidly.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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From the horses mouth, it all starts with hatred. I don't know about you but before I start an investigation of something I like to get good and angry and hate-filled. I find it helps me stay objective.

sayyour mother was killed by someone for thier personal financial gain, and you mother dod no wrong, n fact you mother was a hero tryoing to save many others in strife.

How do you think you would feel about the killer if they publicly lied about it and blamed someone else and pursued killing them also?

hatred and anger are only the initial catalysts forthe search for truth, over time both the deniers and the truthers become acustomed to thier positions and in the then you learn to ignore to ignorant, arrogant, cold hearted bullshit you get from deniers and begin tohave a rational debate, after so called educated, professionals contnue to ignore basic physics, and try to swing their biased and unfounded positons around so it seems as though you are lying, when the evidence says otherwise...

You learn to just roll yor eyes back and get on witnh it.

All they do is make fools of themselves and archive it for ever more.

When the truth becomes mainstream these 'hard core' debunkers will be seen as nothing more than the idiots they proved themseleve to be while lying to protect their ego and integrety.

Anyone with reason will already see that, most will not coment because it is evident that they also will be ridiculed by the deniers, ridicule is a battle weapon and it has got the deniers through a decade of lies, the lies are being watered down contiually however and they are losing momentum, very rapidly.

Your entire rant depends upon the assumption the government was behind the attacks on 9/11/01 and that they are lying about their involvement.
Well, they weren't. All the evidence backs that up and their is NO evidence to the contrary. Your choosing to ignore the facts does not change them to what you think they should be.

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[sundevil777 102]

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Did it fall at exactly 1.0 g, or .99, or .98?

It is important for your assertion to acknowledge exactly how close to "complete" freefall the building achieved. I would think that given the possible error in the measurement, that it could possibly show a greater than 1 g result (due to measurement error).

Please let us know what was the exact result, what was the total error possible, and at what rate the collapse should have achieved if it happened per the official report. Continuing to avoid these very basic points demonstrates that you GOT NOTHING.

You've put a lot of weight on the freefall claim, it is time to back it up, if you can.

Ahem,

So you think (along with bill and belgium guy) that is is quite normal for a building to collapse at or even near free fall speed straight down through the path of greatest resistance from random fires and asymmetrical damage?

OK, so how "near" to freefall was it? .99, .95, .90? NIST likely didn't give a number to it because they aren't doing "anomoly hunting". And how accurate was the measurement?

Why are you avoiding this very important issue - what was the exact claim of acceleration, how accurate, and what should have been expected? Without answering these questions, you're left claiming it was faster than your uneducated seat-of-the-pants judgment says it should have been. That judgment is worthless.

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The whole repeating yourself thing may worlk to a certain extent, but neither you, bill, begium guy, nist or anyone can change the laws of physics.

Quite right, we can't change the laws, but we do understand them so much better than you.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[champu 1]

My mother passed away 4 years ago.

If anyone had actually benefitted from this, and had someone come to me with a rickety case stating she had been murdered, I would be more likely to be taken in by the case because of my emotions on the issue. But how strongly I felt about it would have had no bearing on what actually happened. This is why murder suspects are tried by a jury and not the victim's family.

I don't get riled up reading and posting here, and I don't really care what you think happened on 9/11. I just think the internet is an interesting place to see the different ways people construct arguments and defend their point of view. You claim to be approaching this whole thing very objectively, but I think that's far from the case. Your repeated statements about feeling ridiculed and your thirst for the downfall of those who disagree with you only serve to drive this point further home.

[Remster 30]

Well, I'm not one to keep my head in the sand any longer. The lie has been called out by world leaders now. It must be a big cover up.
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[jakee 1,571]

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From the horses mouth, it all starts with hatred. I don't know about you but before I start an investigation of something I like to get good and angry and hate-filled. I find it helps me stay objective.

sayyour mother was killed by someone for thier personal financial gain, and you mother dod no wrong, n fact you mother was a hero tryoing to save many others in strife.

How do you think you would feel about the killer if they publicly lied about it and blamed someone else and pursued killing them also?

hatred and anger are only the initial catalysts forthe search for truth,

Yep, so in other words, you'd made up your mind what had happened and who was responsible before you ever started 'researching' it, or had seen any evidence.

Nothing we didn't know already.

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When the truth becomes mainstream these 'hard core' debunkers will be seen as nothing more than the idiots they proved themseleve to be while lying to protect their ego and integrety.

Keep waiting dude, just keep waiting

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rhys 0]

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Your entire rant depends upon the assumption the government was behind the attacks on 9/11/01 and that they are lying about their involvement.
Well, they weren't. All the evidence backs that up and their is NO evidence to the contrary. Your choosing to ignore the facts does not change them to what you think they should be.

Someone else could have planted explosives, nothing to say they couldn't, it is quite obvious your counties security is, to put it politely, below par!

The violent opposition to any hypothesi otehr than the weak one that has been presented, is more than enough to indicate who wan't the truth and whop doesn't.

You powers of deduction are an embaressment to your profression.

Why is that the NIST, and anyone else that is a denier, strictly refuse to debate this subject publicly with th3e AE911truth guys?

Becasue you they know damned well that you are all kidding yourselves and the status quo is what you desire!

Those of your ilk are the bane of humanity and you should all be ashamed of yourselves!

You stoill are yet to show us hopw a building can clooapse through itself at freefall speed, you have said untold times that you have but can't show us?

You could potentially do better than Bills bridge scanario.


what a joke!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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Yep, so in other words, you'd made up your mind what had happened and who was responsible before you ever started 'researching' it, or had seen any evidence.

Not at all, there are many possible scenarios. tyhe official hypothesis goes against the basic laws of physics and is an embaressment to your country and it's integrety.

I will not make a decision until the evidence has been looked at thouroughly through a criminal investigation where all subject matter is publicly available.

This is all we are asking for and it is reasonab;e to expect a criminal investigation into such a tragic crime.

You are the one jumping to conclusions!

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Keep waiting dude, just keep waiting

I have all the time in the world

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[1969912 0]

You're the bane of humanity and should be ashamed of yourself!

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[sundevil777 102]

How close to "near" freefall did it fall?

How accurate was the measurement?

How fast should it have fallen?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Your entire rant depends upon the assumption the government was behind the attacks on 9/11/01 and that they are lying about their involvement.
Well, they weren't. All the evidence backs that up and their is NO evidence to the contrary. Your choosing to ignore the facts does not change them to what you think they should be.

Someone else could have planted explosives, nothing to say they couldn't, it is quite obvious your counties security is, to put it politely, below par!

The violent opposition to any hypothesi otehr than the weak one that has been presented, is more than enough to indicate who wan't the truth and whop doesn't.

You powers of deduction are an embaressment to your profression.

Why is that the NIST, and anyone else that is a denier, strictly refuse to debate this subject publicly with th3e AE911truth guys?

Becasue you they know damned well that you are all kidding yourselves and the status quo is what you desire!

Those of your ilk are the bane of humanity and you should all be ashamed of yourselves!

You stoill are yet to show us hopw a building can clooapse through itself at freefall speed, you have said untold times that you have but can't show us?

You could potentially do better than Bills bridge scanario.


what a joke!

Sober up and try to present a sensible response. If I wanted to interpret the rantings of a drunk i would hang out at the local bar.

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[millertime24 8]

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Sober up and try to present a sensible response. If I wanted to interpret the rantings of a drunk i would hang out at the local bar.

But drunk posting is sooooooo much fun. Yeah Ive had a couple by now. At least I was able to take care of the gun cleaning before the tastey adult beverive consumption.

ETA, I believe these truther rantings are a very clever way of trolling. What surprises me is that so many of you guys are actually biting on it. This dude probably doesnt give two shades of shit about 9/11 and is only posting this stuff to get a rise out of people. what would be funny is if all you guys went to a truther website and fucked with them on their site.

Muff #5048

[Belgian_Draft 0]

Go to a truther site?
Ewwww...that's disgusting!

Two reasons for replying to "truther trolls".
1) It's fun.
2) It makes me feel so much smarter.

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2) It makes me feel so much smarter.

Copy that! But, it's kind of like poking a retarded child in the eye. While good fun and amuzing, you still have to admit that your victim is fucking retarded. Basically, you have to admit a thread like this "is what it is". And that is a troller getting over 700 replies from people who WILL actually entertain his/hers veiws.

Muff #5048

[billvon 3,090]

>How do you think you would feel about the killer if they publicly lied
>about it and blamed someone else and pursued killing them also?

If they were making up shit to promote their own personal agenda? I'd be pretty pissed. (Which is why so many people are annoyed at the truthers; they are trying to benefit from the deaths of 3000 americans.)

>So you think (along with bill and belgium guy) that is is quite normal for
>a building to collapse at or even near free fall speed . . .

Yes. What speed should a building that size collapse?

>straight down through the path of greatest resistance

Path of least resistance actually. (Remember the full-height interior atrium.)

[millertime24 8]

Bill,

What is the Dz.com policy on trolls? To Me it would appear as you are feeding one. At this point I would expect better from our mod's on this thread.

Look at it this way, there's a dude who doesent even hail from the US sitting here baiting folks on ideals (which may not be his own) about US policy/investigations/laws just in order to bait you into making a response.

I say quit fucking with this guy and let him. in his own little pussy fucking 'non-Ssuperpower' country" think what he wishes. Let him post stupid shit, but why even entertain it with a response?

Muff #5048

[rhys 0]

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You're the bane of humanity and should be ashamed of yourself!Sly

What are your thoughts on freedom of speech?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[nanook 1]

he's not a troll. Not in my book. He legitimately believes in this. He's defending his belief. Wrong or not, he's not some asshole outside of the community here to stir up some shit for fun.

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[rhys 0]

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Two reasons for replying to "truther trolls".
1) It's fun.
2) It makes me feel so much smarter. Smile

Trolls don't typiclly troll thier own threads, and if your pathetic, unpatriotic, unjustified namecalling and lying makes you feel smarter...

Then you are not very smart at all.

The enginer that can't quite grasp simply physics.



And need to mock peope in order to feel smart, that is intellegence for ya, pseudo intellegence.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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Bill,

What is the Dz.com policy on trolls? To Me it would appear as you are feeding one. At this point I would expect better from our mod's on this thread.

Look at it this way, there's a dude who doesent even hail from the US sitting here baiting folks on ideals (which may not be his own) about US policy/investigations/laws just in order to bait you into making a response.

Hey newbie, you obviously don't know me or have not folowed this thread very well, but this is (in case you didn't notice) is a very hot topic, 9/11 is officially the most researched topic on the interent, millions of americans and many millions of others around the world are demanding a new independant investigation.

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I say quit fucking with this guy and let him. in his own little pussy fucking 'non-Ssuperpower' country" think what he wishes. Let him post stupid shit, but why even entertain it with a response?

How about you join in on the conversation or leave it, Your superpower (in case you didn't notce) now is in huge debt. You can hardly be a superpower when you are under the thumb from the very countries that are destined to take you over!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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And need to mock peope in order to feel smart, that is intellegence for ya, pseudo intellegence.

That must be why you keep doing it over and over and over, then.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[rhys 0]

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If they were making up shit to promote their own personal agenda? I'd be pretty pissed. (Which is why so many people are annoyed at the truthers; they are trying to benefit from the deaths of 3000 americans.)

how about you look at who really benifited from the deaths of thse 3000 people, truthers most certainly do not.

We are ridiculed while the very people that allowed it to hapeen grow insanely wealthy.

You don't seem to understand who is benifiting, how do you suggest that truthers are gaining from this?
sellin $5 DVD and offering them for free upload.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Your entire rant depends upon the assumption the government was behind the attacks on 9/11/01 and that they are lying about their involvement.
Well, they weren't. All the evidence backs that up and their is NO evidence to the contrary. Your choosing to ignore the facts does not change them to what you think they should be.

Someone else could have planted explosives, nothing to say they couldn't, it is quite obvious your counties security is, to put it politely, below par!

The violent opposition to any hypothesi otehr than the weak one that has been presented, is more than enough to indicate who wan't the truth and whop doesn't.

You powers of deduction are an embaressment to your profression.

Why is that the NIST, and anyone else that is a denier, strictly refuse to debate this subject publicly with th3e AE911truth guys?

Becasue you they know damned well that you are all kidding yourselves and the status quo is what you desire!

Those of your ilk are the bane of humanity and you should all be ashamed of yourselves!

You stoill are yet to show us hopw a building can clooapse through itself at freefall speed, you have said untold times that you have but can't show us?

You could potentially do better than Bills bridge scanario.


what a joke!

Richard Dawkins, Stephen Jay Gould etc refuse to debate creationiists, so by your logic creationsist must have the truth, what the difference?

[jakee 1,571]

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The violent opposition to any hypothesi otehr than the weak one that has been presented, is more than enough to indicate who wan't the truth and whop doesn't.

Don't be daft. What about your violent opposition to any theory except explosives planted by the government?

If you think that the mechanics is on your side, you should be able to argue from the mechanics, not from a constant stream of ad hom's about the character of the people you are arguing against.

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Why is that the NIST, and anyone else that is a denier, strictly refuse to debate this subject publicly with th3e AE911truth guys?

NIST don't because it's not their job. Other people, like the editors of Popular Mechanics, have previously debated with truthers. They've probably given up because they realise that it never makes any difference.

Think about how it would go: The guy from NIST, or whoever, would produce a complex argument based on years of work and modelling that you wouldn't understand a word of, the AE911 guy would say "but things don't fall through the path of most resistance" and you'd think he'd won.

Pointless.

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what a joke!

Jenga.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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NIST don't because it's not their job.

But thier job is to deny that freefall existed for years, then include it at the last minute because they were forced to?

You will see a lawsuit come out against Sunder and Gross in the next year or so. engineers against engineers

Simple physics ignored without explanation is quite mindboggling.

yes it is a joke, I like it that you are archiving your ignorance and sheepish nature.

well done!

I dno't violently oppsose anything now I have learned it gets you nowhere.

I just want answers to very relevant questions, you want obsurity and deciet, death and destuction. I want peace and unity!

i wish we could all agree, an investigation would help but it seems you oppose that also?!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix