revisiting 911 truth in the Obama days...

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I do not have my own hypothesis, It is not that I "accept" the NIST conclusions, I just don't think there is anything mysterious about what happened. I think that truthers are not satisfied with the official investigation because the the conspiracy theories are not really taken seriously, and the official reports can reflect that. You must also realize that the official investigation is asked by truthers to evaluate a never ending list of "questions".

So you don't believe NIST, you don't have your own hypothesis, and you disagree with with those that wish for a new investigation?

republican?



All we want is an investigtion, one we can see the results and sources of.

I do not wish to argue with you about how they plotted thier data and the discrepencies with doing so.

It is clear all three buildings fell EXTREMELY FAST, this deserves invetigation, and being one of the most important disasters in modern history, and how it is affecting the world exponentially, we would think an investigation would be a reasonable request.

It is not clear what you actually beleive, as you are not willing to admit you beleive NIST?
What is it that you do not believe that they say?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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"All we want is an investigtion, one we can see the results and sources of. "

Bullshit.
What you guys want is an investigation that disregards the laws of physics and gives you the conclusion you want regardless of the truth. There has already been an investigation that you can see the results and sources of.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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[rhys 0]

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They were not allowed to do their job, when one investigates something, acess to the relevant information is paramount in obtaining the correct conclusion.

Really. So what we have are a group of competent trained professionals, who are not part of the great 9/11 cover up, who were not allowed to properly investigate 9/11, and yet none of them went to the media and complained about it? None of them brought it to public attention that they felt their investigation was being compromised?

Remember the shit that weapons inspectors in Iraq kicked up prior to the invasion? Didn't get a whisper of that from the 9/11 commission. How does that work?

If you watch FOX news or CNN or ABC or any of the major media outlets, you will find they will not (be allowed to) report this subject.

Some people believe that if these oultlets do not report it, it did not happen...

is this the case with you?

You didn't hear about this?

or consider this

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"i'm glad i took the time"

What a wanker as if he chose his duties and decided what should and should not be done.

Theres time for politics?

there are so many of these important leaks as to how flawed and corrupt/stupid the authorites have been, yet the mainstream media and those that follow it pretend as if there is none of this historical fact.

This includes you and many of your fellow comrades here.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,107]

>All we want is an investigtion, one we can see the results and sources of.

You got one. You just disagree with it.

>I do not wish to argue with you about how they plotted thier data and the
>discrepencies with doing so.

OK. But if so, why do you want another investigation?

>It is clear all three buildings fell EXTREMELY FAST, this deserves
>invetigation

And it got it. Years of it.

>It is not clear what you actually beleive, as you are not willing to admit
>you beleive NIST?

Are you willing to admit you believe the truthers?

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You got one. You just disagree with it.

Can you send me a link to it? or are you saying the (NIST)building performance report is the same as a criminal investigation? and if ythey can explain how a building is 'poised for collapse' then thay need not explain the collapse itself?

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OK. But if so, why do you want another investigation?

No not from them, just further explanation.

It is a criminal investigation that is needed, one has never been performed.

assumtion is the basis of the raction, not the result of an investigation.

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And it got it. Years of it.

Again, please link me to a rescource about ANY criminal investigation and the result of it?

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Are you willing to admit you believe the truthers?

I am a truther, I beleive we are not being told the truth.

i can't agree entirely with millions of people, but the one thing we all have in common is a desire to be told the truth.

Not n unreasonable request, or is it?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Bullshit.
What you guys want is an investigation that disregards the laws of physics and gives you the conclusion you want regardless of the truth. There has already been an investigation that you can see the results and sources of.

So you also believe a building performance roprt is the same as a criminal investigation?

Maybe, since you are a engineering guru, you should work for the CIA or FBI?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,107]

> or are you saying the (NIST)building performance report is the same as a
>criminal investigation?

No. It is an investigation into the causes of the collapse. That's the one I was talking about.

>and if ythey can explain how a building is 'poised for collapse' then
>thay need not explain the collapse itself?

They did explain it. You just prefer to ignore/dispute/distort what they said.

>It is a criminal investigation that is needed . . . .

We did that, and determined who was at fault for crashing airplanes into those buildings, thus causing their collapse.

>I am a truther, I beleive we are not being told the truth.

But you do not believe the truthers? That's a bit contradictory.

>i can't agree entirely with millions of people, but the one thing we all have
>in common is a desire to be told the truth. Not n unreasonable request, or is it?

Not at all! It is, however, unreasonable to be told the truth and then demand that the truth be amended to fit your own worldview.

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You are very good at this strawman thing arent you bill.



Do you masterbate?

And I am asking you in all honesty, this is just an excercise in whether you are willing to tell the truth in all circumstances.

So don't ban me for 2 weeks and remove the post, it is a seroious question.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kelpdiver 2]

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All we want is an investigtion, one we can see the results and sources of.

And then you immediately correct it with a demand for a 'criminal investigation.' How the hell does that differ, actually? If anything I'd expect you to prefer the level of evidence in a civil trial, where the standard of proof is easier (preponderous of evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt).

How much new evidence do you expect them to find in a new investigation. I'd actually be fairly suspicious if they found buckets of new evidence that didn't exist before. If suddenly 5 of the terrorists were found to have actually been Iraqis, then you know the Feds were in on the job.

[billvon 3,107]

>Do you masterbate?

>So don't ban me for 2 weeks and remove the post, it is a seroious question.

Oh, no problem. You've just shown what level of discussion you're capable of. You've sort of conceded the argument; when sophistry like that is all you have left, you have nothing.

[kelpdiver 2]

stop taking the higher road!

Ask him if he can only get it up after taking customers on dangerous night tandems.

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Bullshit.
What you guys want is an investigation that disregards the laws of physics and gives you the conclusion you want regardless of the truth. There has already been an investigation that you can see the results and sources of.

So you also believe a building performance roprt is the same as a criminal investigation?

Maybe, since you are a engineering guru, you should work for the CIA or FBI?

There was a criminal investigation. Men are in prison awaiting trial as a result. If you don't agree with the results, too bad. There was no evidence implicating what you thought happened or that any of it was caused by who you think caused it.
I have worked with CIA and FBI. I have also worked DOD, Capital Police, NYCFD, NYCPD, and countless other agencies.
But I am not an "engineering guru" as you put it. I focus on certain areas and seek advice from those who are far more knowledgable than I when delving into unfamiliar territory. You should give it a try sometime. You may be surprised by how little you actually know and how much you can learn from others.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[DJL 235]

Hey Rhys. In the midst of all this ad hominem and rhetoric I'm giving you the opportunity to post a link to audio of the demolition charges going off in building 7. Still looking for that.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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So you don't believe NIST, you don't have your own hypothesis, and you disagree with with those that wish for a new investigation?

It doesn't surprise me that you've contrived a ridiculous meaning to my simple statement.

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I do not wish to argue with you about how they plotted thier data and the discrepencies with doing so.

WHAT? That is exactly what you wanted us to examine, but now that you see it doesn't support your claim, the details aren't worth discussing?

I think you have seen the sawtooth shape to your guy's velocity data, and in order to hang on to your belief, all you can do is resort to, "EXTREMELY FAST" as if that is now convincing.

Have the balls to admit you were wrong, at least on this point, and then you can move on to the next "question" like truthers always do, we know you have an endless supply.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Belgian_Draft 0]

An interesting read that, at first, seems unrelated to this thread.
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/03/30/2246609.aspx

But when you get to this part the similarities are almost eery.
"There are two approaches to this," Nickell told me. "There's ordinary science, and then there's what I call shroud science. Ordinary science starts with evidence, and lets the evidence lead wherever it will. This is the approach used by a 'CSI' team. Shroud science is quite different, and it starts with the answer. They start by saying, 'This is the shroud of our Lord,' and then they take whatever steps they need to get to that answer."

Shroud science, truther science. Two peas in a pod.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Shroud science, truther science. Two peas in a pod.

Oh so the announcment from the media that it was osama bin ladin only a couple of hours after the attack had not spread to the gospel within a couple of days and still stands to this day, with no other hypothesis considered?

you use kooks logic.

you flip a bitch on reality and try to spin your hypothsis as credible.

this type of thinking is an insult to your profession.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Oh so the announcment from the media that it was osama bin ladin only a couple of hours after the attack had not spread to the gospel within a couple of days and still stands to this day, with no other hypothesis considered?

No other hypothesis was considered? You think?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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WHAT? That is exactly what you wanted us to examine, but now that you see it doesn't support your claim, the details aren't worth discussing?

I think you have seen the sawtooth shape to your guy's velocity data, and in order to hang on to your belief, all you can do is resort to, "EXTREMELY FAST" as if that is now convincing.

Have the balls to admit you were wrong, at least on this point, and then you can move on to the next "question" like truthers always do, we know you have an endless supply.

Haha

You kooks logic is quite consistent with this reply, I do not need to know the exct data to determine that the building did not fall from fire, anyone with an open mind and a reasonable understanding of physics should understand that.

When you remove the political motivation to defend such tyrants, you are left with pretty much nothing.

Building 7 fell down completely into its own footprint in only a handfull of seconds, it reached freefall acceleration.

This is very simple, yet you and you idiot mates try to cloud the issue with other bullshit myths.

i rememebr clearly arguing that freefall wa not posssible and your mates agreed on that, they said freefall did not happen and it was much slower, now that is it common knowledge that freefall did occur, you and you retarded followers try to argue that it is quite normal for a building to freefall, i should admt i was wrong the whole time.

ha ha, Maybe in your world you are allowed to change tyour mind on a subject and be right bith times, but where i am from that is considered, bullshitting!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Hey Rhys. In the midst of all this ad hominem and rhetoric I'm giving you the opportunity to post a link to audio of the demolition charges going off in building 7. Still looking for that.

Oh yoe mean the building that fell down hours afterwards when everything and everyone was cleared out of ground zero?

nice try homeboy, how about you use your eyes?

or how about showing me where the precedent was set for a freefalling steel framed high rises? why you beleive they can fall so quickly and how the problem has been addressed so next time a city has large fire we dont see, buildings freefalling into thier own footprnts left right and centre after a few hors of office fires...



think long and hard while watching footage of the building coming down.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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There was a criminal investigation. Men are in prison awaiting trial as a result. If you don't agree with the results, too bad. There was no evidence implicating what you thought happened or that any of it was caused by who you think caused it.

So you're up to your armpits in war, and the results from this said investigation have not yet been found, and the suspect has been tortured over and over again, and you think your government is doing the right thing?

Your logic, just like your goverments false pretences are a big old fabrication.

It surprises me that so many of you are willing to defend the very tyrants that strip you of your liberties, your tax dollars and your countries foundations.

You mock those that point out the truth, yet the very people you are defending will shit on you at the drop of a hat because they do not care about america or democracy or justice, they want absolute power, and acccess to all the recources they want to futher continue the stranglehold on the gloabl economy and therefore the global power.

PNAC and all the movements are plain evidence of this, but the majority are too engulfed in thier faux media and busy lives to see what is really happening.

unfortunately for them, they will not succeed becase apathy is need for them to succeed. the MSM are weakening like never seen before.
It is easy for anyone to study the events and see that your logic is deeply flawed.

You stand behind your professon as if that is credible, but you ny insult thse you work with and the company you work for by defending such lies.

you are deep in it now though arent you, there is no turning back?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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>Do you masterbate?

>So don't ban me for 2 weeks and remove the post, it is a seroious question.

Oh, no problem. You've just shown what level of discussion you're capable of. You've sort of conceded the argument; when sophistry like that is all you have left, you have nothing.

i certinly have, I am pointing out to you and everyone else that i am not afraid to discuss anything.

You however seem to 'know it all' and take this stance where you opinion and thought processes are abolutley correct all of the time.

i wanted to have an excersise on you honesty and intregrety, and asked if you mastebate to test you capabilities of bein open and honest in all subjects.

I just wanted to see the level of converstion in which you are willing to be open about.

obviously you are too coy or immature to partake in such a conversation.

fair enough, I'll take it you are one of the 90% that lies?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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No other hypothesis was considered? You think?

I beleive they would consider any hypotheses that would allow the military contractors to continue raping your countries' finances, rescources and integrety, while makeing you all broke.

other than that they generally stick to thier guns and use the MSM to push it as reality.

sad indeed.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[yourmomma 0]

"anyone with an open mind and a reasonable understanding of physics should understand that."

Well there you go. Your posts have elegantly displayed the fact you have neither a open mind nor a reasonable understanding of physics.

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There was a criminal investigation. Men are in prison awaiting trial as a result. If you don't agree with the results, too bad. There was no evidence implicating what you thought happened or that any of it was caused by who you think caused it.

So you're up to your armpits in war, and the results from this said investigation have not yet been found, and the suspect has been tortured over and over again, and you think your government is doing the right thing?

Your logic, just like your goverments false pretences are a big old fabrication.

It surprises me that so many of you are willing to defend the very tyrants that strip you of your liberties, your tax dollars and your countries foundations.

You mock those that point out the truth, yet the very people you are defending will shit on you at the drop of a hat because they do not care about america or democracy or justice, they want absolute power, and acccess to all the recources they want to futher continue the stranglehold on the gloabl economy and therefore the global power.

PNAC and all the movements are plain evidence of this, but the majority are too engulfed in thier faux media and busy lives to see what is really happening.

unfortunately for them, they will not succeed becase apathy is need for them to succeed. the MSM are weakening like never seen before.
It is easy for anyone to study the events and see that your logic is deeply flawed.

You stand behind your professon as if that is credible, but you ny insult thse you work with and the company you work for by defending such lies.

you are deep in it now though arent you, there is no turning back?

Do you realize you have lost any sense of reason you may have had and are now just rambling about anything except the issues?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[sundevil777 102]

I advocate a strict policy of no more feeding of this particular troll. All in favor, please do not reply, no matter how tempting.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am