revisiting 911 truth in the Obama days...

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Still waiting for evidence of what the truthers claim. None provided yet.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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The PNAC know they have been lying, NIST know they have been lying.

No, just you

Hmmm let me see, do you accept the aims and goals of the PNAC as acceptable and reasonable?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Still waiting for evidence of what the truthers claim. None provided yet.

waiting will get you nowhere, let me give you a hint, you won't find it on fox news or in the new york times...

If you want to be free, you do your own research. If you still fail to find what you want, you are avoiding the truth.

There is a differnece between avoiding and not finding!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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The PNAC know they have been lying, NIST know they have been lying.

No, just you

Hmmm let me see, do you accept the aims and goals of the PNAC as acceptable and reasonable?

Lets just say I find your interpretations of PNAC's motives questionable at best

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Lets just say I find your interpretations of PNAC's motives questionable at best

What is you interpretation of what they are trying to achieve.

Other than ruling the world with (pseudo) american ideals.

From their website first line in the about us page,

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Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.

America has shown us how it goes about being a leader.

We (those that are not americans) don't like it.

The arrogance and ignorance of those that think such movements are reasonable is astounding.

It is interesting that Rupert Murdoch is one of the signatories.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rushmc 23]

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Lets just say I find your interpretations of PNAC's motives questionable at best

What is you interpretation of what they are trying to achieve.

Other than ruling the world with (pseudo) american ideals.

From their website first line in the about us page,

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Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.

America has shown us how it goes about being a leader.

We (those that are not americans) don't like it.

The arrogance and ignorance of those that think such movements are reasonable is astounding.

It is interesting that Rupert Murdoch is one of the signatories.

Tought

Get over it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rhys 0]

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Tought

Get over it

If I was in a " i wank myself over my gun and blow my load in dead centre' thread I would have left the conversation or not even entered it.

This one (9/11) is a subject I feel strongly about, what many people feel strongly about and many feel reluctant to talk about because of the violent opposition from people like you.

you are the one that needs to get over it, and either discuss the topic (not me), or refrain from discussing.

You may get a laugh out of mike, amazon or any of you other mates, but you just make yourself look foolish (to everybody elese) by trying to discredit me rather than the subject.

I have done this in the past myself also and gained nothing out of doing so.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Tought

Get over it

If I was in a " i wank myself over my gun and blow my load in dead centre' thread I would have left the conversation or not even entered it.

This one (9/11) is a subject I feel strongly about, what many people feel strongly about and many feel reluctant to talk about because of the violent opposition from people like you.

you are the one that needs to get over it, and either discuss the topic (not me), or refrain from discussing.

You may get a laugh out of mike, amazon or any of you other mates, but you just make yourself look foolish (to everybody elese) by trying to discredit me rather than the subject.

I have done this in the past myself also and gained nothing out of doing so.

I am not trying to discredit you or anybody else. Sometimes you just let people do that to themselves
YOU brougtht up the us pnac and all the other bullshit thinking it would help you make your point. To me you come across as whining.

More people are free because of the us. More than anybody else has even tried to do

You think the US gov is that evil and corpt who am I to stop you . But if you think I am going to just sit here and give you free reign you are mistaken

By the way, I hope you dont have any guns. Regardless of our differening views I would not want to see you blow your head off

I am glad you feel so strongly about 9/11. You know, that attack on the US. But others feel strongly about this too. You dont get it all to yourself even though you would have us all roll over so you can scratch our tummies and make us all happy with your point of view.

I am also glad you read minds and know what everybody else thinks

You are amazing man

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You may get a laugh out of mike, amazon or any of you other mates, but you just make yourself look foolish (to everybody elese) by trying to discredit me rather than the subject.

Now that right there is worth every penny.... I ever gave to HH in the past....
Edit to add

I just went and bought a new DIZZY DOT COM long sleeved T-Shirt to celebrate

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUDE.... NO ONE needs to try to discredit you.. or any of the other so called "truthers" yall do a bang on job of it without ANY help at all.

[airdvr 210]

Looking at the thread title I can certainly soo how things have changed now that Obama's steering the ship.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[SpeedRacer 1]

Hey rhy, at least half the people on this site who disagree with the "truther" BS are people who in fact DID NOT like Bush or the invasion of Iraq.

You see, there are some people who can criticize the Republicans & Bush etc WITHOUT resorting to whacked out conspiracy theories.

Many of the truthers, on the other hand, seem to start with a political position (dislike of Bush admin's policies) and mold their version of reality to fit that.

You seem to assume that if anyone disagrees with the conspiracy theory, that that means they are trying to defend Bush. That is simply not the case.

If I, and many others on here, want to criticize the Bush administration, there is PLENTY of material in the real world.

Oh, and by the way, the goal of the PNAC, even before Bush took office, was to invade Iraq. That's where the oil is. They were already gearing up for it before 9/11.

The war in Afghanistan was in fact, a pain-in-the-ass distraction for them. Staging a fake attack to implicate some assholes in Afghanistan would have been counterproductive.

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If you want to be free, you do your own research. If you still fail to find what you want, you are avoiding the truth.

There is a differnece between avoiding and not finding!

So it's become a secret club now? I thought it was to be prominently available, MONTHS AGO! Now we have to hunt for "the truth" like a squirrel looking for nuts?

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Hey rhy, at least half the people on this site who disagree with the "truther" BS are people who in fact DID NOT like Bush or the invasion of Iraq.

You see, there are some people who can criticize the Republicans & Bush etc WITHOUT resorting to whacked out conspiracy theories.

Many of the truthers, on the other hand, seem to start with a political position (dislike of Bush admin's policies) and mold their version of reality to fit that.

You seem to assume that if anyone disagrees with the conspiracy theory, that that means they are trying to defend Bush. That is simply not the case.

If I, and many others on here, want to criticize the Bush administration, there is PLENTY of material in the real world.

Oh, and by the way, the goal of the PNAC, even before Bush took office, was to invade Iraq. That's where the oil is. They were already gearing up for it before 9/11.

The war in Afghanistan was in fact, a pain-in-the-ass distraction for them. Staging a fake attack to implicate some assholes in Afghanistan would have been counterproductive.

Shhhhh he wis hunting wascally wabbits...the ones with supew thewmite stwapped to them

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I have no reason to think that people have not landed on the moon. Period.

Why not? There are loads of reasons for the US to fake it if they couldn't actually do it. The Soviets were the first to orbit, the first to send up men (and women). Beating them to the moon because a national priority in the peak of the Cold War. It was only much much later we find out how many disasters they had during their early space days, as well as that Yuri cheated and parachuted to the ground on his first orbital flight.

NASA could easily have been a front for CIA spending as it sucked down billions in 1960s dollars.

And yes, we find your "truth" as believable as those that the moon landing was a movie stage.

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>There are loads of reasons for the US to fake it if they couldn't actually do it.

Exactly. But some sheep are willing to have lies just shoved down their throat by a manipulative government; they just don't have the balls to face facts or the intelligence to understand all the lies.

FACT - hydrogen and oxygen burn at 3200 degrees C!
FACT - the second stage of the Saturn V used J-2's and was fueled by LH/LOX!
FACT - the US government claims that the J-2 engine combustion chamber was made of stainless steel!
FACT - stainless steel alloys melt at 1500 degrees C!

And yet the US government wants you to believe that the J-2 could burn for over six minutes during the Saturn V launch. How dumb do they think we are?

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Shhhhh he wis hunting wascally wabbits...the ones with supew thewmite stwapped to them

I just pissed myself

You owe me one pair of mens underwear

HAMMER:
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If you want to be free, you do your own research. If you still fail to find what you want....

Then just make it up!

Found anyone who saw where that magical mystery plane went after it disappeared in mid-air next to the Pentagon?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I just want him to explain how debris from the top of the towers hit the ground long before the building finished collapsing...at free-fall speed.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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[billvon 3,091]

>I just want him to explain how debris from the top of the towers hit the
>ground long before the building finished collapsing . . .

They had little rockets on 'em - just to make it _look_ plausible.

[rhys 0]

Steering away from the subject matter, Science...

To pathetic attacks on a vast number of people that have a plethora of viable concerns pertaining to their own personal suffering and loss of family is no laughing matter.

Your attempts to belittle millions of other people with opposing thoughts to yours with unrelated comparisons is becoming all too common and encouraging borderline personal attacks is not very professional.

I would expect more form a moderator of a forum dedicated to 'heated' discussions with opposing points of view.

The term, 'don't feed the trolls' is commonplace throughout the internet; I thought you would have taken heed of that by now.

Your one warning

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Looking at the thread title I can certainly soo how things have changed now that Obama's steering the ship.

You know how Obama got that noble prize, the one for hope...

That is all he delivered, many words but not so much action.

This is why I made the thread 'those pesky fires'. But I bumped this one as it has the most information and links of any I can remember.

Obama, is a tricky subject he has not satisfied me as being genuine regardless of the red tape he has to slice through in order to do soemthing. I'm not convinced anyone is too sure on him.

The odds seem to be increasing on the suggestion he has no say in what goes on anyway.

It seems to me, he is a written story.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Why not? There are loads of reasons for the US to fake it if they couldn't actually do it. The Soviets were the first to orbit, the first to send up men (and women). Beating them to the moon because a national priority in the peak of the Cold War. It was only much much later we find out how many disasters they had during their early space days, as well as that Yuri cheated and parachuted to the ground on his first orbital flight.

NASA could easily have been a front for CIA spending as it sucked down billions in 1960s dollars.

And yes, we find your "truth" as believable as those that the moon landing was a movie stage.

Why, because I have not spent time pondering it, I have pondered why there are no stars in the photos, but that for me would be a photography enquiry.

Asking such a question however would likely result in the short sharp attack from all the post whores that have nothing better to contribute than trying to make each other laugh at someone else’s expense.

It is almost like feeding the chickens, just throw a couple of stones out and they all come running willy nilly instinctively without thought.



Talking about an irrelevant subject that happened decades before contributes nothing to the subject at hand.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

A question for anyone that is willing to contribute to a reasonable debate to the contrary of controlled demolition hypothesis.

Do you acknowledge as fact that building 7, actually managed to obtain freefall acceleration for ‘an amount of time’ during is collapse, as pointed out in the Latest NIST report published on the 20th of November 2008.

If so, do you consider this an anomaly?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Hey rhy, at least half the people on this site who disagree with the "truther" BS are people who in fact DID NOT like Bush or the invasion of Iraq.

And that is conclusive of what?

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You see, there are some people who can criticize the Republicans & Bush etc WITHOUT resorting to whacked out conspiracy theories.

It is not republicans or bush that I hold accountable; it is the apathetic population whose spines are dissolving by the minute.

If you think corruption does not exist and has no significant effect on society, good luck to ya.

I have seen real corruption in all levels of society and it affects us more than we are willing to accept. We are all part of it because we are instinctively selfish.

We should all be dubious of any entity that aims to pre-empt war for financial gain rather than reason.

The problem is not which people have done what or why, our problem is how we ever let them get away with it.

Many of you oppose government control because of this corruption. Without order there would be anarchy, which as cool as it might look on some Emo's t-shirt, would not be a good situation to be in at all.

We all need a government of some description, just how corruption is dealt with is inconsistent and it has quite obviously gotten out of hand.

You can have your story written for you or you can make it what you want. One will not always be successful and will often face opposition; but that opposition can bring you to a halt or it can strengthen you.

I have debated this subject for over 5 years with many of you, and I have looked at and tried to discuss every aspect possible.

I can still honestly say that I believe 'well' beyond reasonable doubt that the $20million NIST report is inconclusive, inconsistent, and contradictory.

The 9/11 story is either partially or completely manufactured, has been used to Pre-empt wars and also massive government spending to certain private enterprises that are complicit with the corruption.

Many millions of people also have the same concerns, they all have the same concerns independently, and yes there are also groups. Probably well over 100 dedicated websites now, and at least 1 that I know of have 10’s of millions of hits in about 5 years, and get 10’s of thousands of hits a day.

All these people have been bundled together and are now known as Truthers.

Not a bad name.

Some of them want to know why there is no clear footage of an aircraft flying into the pentagon, some want to know why they were sent back into Manhattan to work when there was still toxic shit everywhere that is now causing them illness or death, some think the whole thing was performed by the government and some most definitely do not. Some only want to know why their family members died in Iraq in the name of lies. Heck some probably even believe in flying saucers and some might wear a tin foil hats (do people actually do that?).

Since we are all grouping us all together and calling us Truthers and those that have nothing to do with each other are being compared, lets discuss the one thing that all of these people including myself, do have in common…

…The desire to have an open investigation of the happenings of 9/11, with Subpoena power.

That is not such a demanding request; it is the refusal that is demanding.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Did you know that estimates put the percentage of cats that are neurotic at 100%? Most truthers agree that figure is conservative and the actual number is much higher.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.