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And "intrigues many"??? You are not fooling anybody but yourself



If that comment was true, you would never have written it, and you also wouldn't have posted hundreds of posts (possibly thousands) about the subject.

If you think it is such bull shit, why do you feel so compelled to reply?

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And then you have the balls to call others post whores or right wing nut jobs?



We have both been registered to DZ.com for almost a decade, you have a year on me, but you have 4 times the posts than me.

Once again you logic is flawed and you included many of the traits I just posted above in a small statement.
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IF, what you are saying has any iota of a possibility of being true, please explain to me how one would go about keeping the legions of people needed to carry this out quiet for this long?

That my friend would be IMPOSSIBLE



So many of the CIA ops are also impossible?

That is a pretty stupid question, thousands of people are dead, their families ignored and people (mostly lawyers :S) have made absolute fortunes, the lies have been exposed but you cling on to a feeble fable.

The most obvious flaw of the official story is the failure to even consider an iota of anything other than what they are trying to present.

It all happens right in front of your face yet you simply don't see it, you accept corruption as the norm or acceptable. That is the real problem, of course people will do bad things and the hardest part of a crime is getting away with it. Deniers make it so much easier for them to do so.

Congratulations.
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Same to you
You proved nothing
Your example would take a few to conduct
Then they are not killing thousands of us citizens
Congrats back at you
Funny shit though
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If I am intrigued by anything it is your inability I a to figure out you have made you case but have changed no minds that I know of.

If I am intrigued by anything it is the fact that YOU can not consider the words of some that were there.

If I am intrigued by anything it would be you can not move on from this

If I am intrigued by anything it would be the fact that you are so consumed by this

If I am intrigued by anything it would be the inability to answer how a government could control the number of people needed to pull what you suspect off and keep them quiet

If I am intrigued by anything it is to wonder why you think you are right.

I could go on but there is little reason to do so
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I freely admit I am not perfect and my personal investigations and questions have been in fields I have not enough experience in to decide...

hence discussion.



Thanks for admitting you don't have the background about the matters involved. So it seems you rely much upon the word of others that doubt the official story.

So, do you believe that men landed on the moon? There are some very well educated folks that try to make the case it was faked. Perhaps you are willing to be skeptical of their claims. Why is it you are not so skeptical of the 911 truther claims?
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I guess so. What I can't believe is Jessy Ventura has a fucking show about all this stupid assed truther shit! What a waste of energy. You'd think the time and energy that these people put into this could be spent on something more helpful or constructive.:S

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I guess so. What I can't believe is Jessy Ventura has a fucking show about all this stupid assed truther shit! What a waste of energy. You'd think the time and energy that these people put into this could be spent on something more helpful or constructive.Crazy



what like building weapons, dispaching yobbos with guns and killing innocent civilians.

something like that? destroying countries and grabbing their natural recources and stomping on thier face.

constructive stuff like that.

America has forgotten what being a patriot means.
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I guess so. What I can't believe is Jessy Ventura has a fucking show about all this stupid assed truther shit! What a waste of energy. You'd think the time and energy that these people put into this could be spent on something more helpful or constructive.Crazy



what like building weapons, dispaching yobbos with guns and killing innocent civilians.

something like that? destroying countries and grabbing their natural recources and stomping on thier face.

constructive stuff like that.

America has forgotten what being a patriot means.



Oh I don't know.... certain people do certainly tend to bring out the desire to do things like that.

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So, do you believe that men landed on the moon? There are some very well educated folks that try to make the case it was faked. Perhaps you are willing to be skeptical of their claims.



I have no reason to think men did not land on the moon.
It is common for deniers to bundle everybody that opposes thier opinipon in one basket, hence the name tin foil hatters etc.

I had never heard of a radiophobe before discusssion 9/11 on here, but it seems many are happy to conclude that I am scared of radio waves becaause I ask some valid questions.

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Why is it you are not so skeptical of the 911 truther claims?



There are plenty of claims form certain truthers I do not agree with, it is the reluctance of people to listen to what I am saying/asking that makes them think I believe everything I listen to.

Ever heard the saying, 'don't judge a book by it's cover'.
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> post whores like you, mike and the other right wing nut jobs

Your one warning. Cut it out.



was the warning for 'RW nut job,' or 'post whore?'

Most of us in SC with thousands of posts have to be at least slightest whorish. But the difference in postings for those two has a lot to do with rhys being a bit more single minded on one topic.

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IF, what you are saying has any iota of a possibility of being true, please explain to me how one would go about keeping the legions of people needed to carry this out quiet for this long?

That my friend would be IMPOSSIBLE



So many of the CIA ops are also impossible?



Most of the big CIA ops are leaked and the world knows about them. (example - Allende in Chile (CIA) or the release of the "Pentagon Papers" (DoD)). When the government acts badly and involves numerous people, one of them leaks the information to the press.

A bastard like McNamera would keep it quiet, but we don't have thousands of guys like that.

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Wow...are we still doing this? [Unsure][Crazy]



Wow, you really thought it would go away, just sweep it under the carpet with some drylabing bullshit.

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drylabbing
n. the faking of laboratory test results, especially when the test has not been conducted.


watch this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii49BaRDp_A

Thinking this is anything close to settled, shows your desire for it to be. This does not correlate with what is actually going on.

You can go back to you 'reality TV' now.:D

I just realised I am falling for all the tactics that 'you all' are subjecting me to. Probably unwillingly so, due to your attitudes.

You will do these things without thinking about it (instinctively) simply to justify ignoring such important information and avoiding the subject of what is morally correct.

I am going to try to see these tactics in future and will avoid replying to them, I have been banned from this forum, due to calling people names, from their provocation.

This is not debate and it plays no part in a conclusion, this subject is more important than any other in our society right now, not 9/11 but the deception behind it.

When we lie to ourselves to cover a lie from those we listen to, is when we have lost our freedom.
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So, do you believe that men landed on the moon? There are some very well educated folks that try to make the case it was faked. Perhaps you are willing to be skeptical of their claims.



I have no reason to think men did not land on the moon.



Plenty of people that are well educated in applicable fields think so, and since you put a lot of weight upon what the well educated among the 911 truthers say, why shouldn't similar learned people be as convincing on another subject?

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Why is it you are not so skeptical of the 911 truther claims?



There are plenty of claims form certain truthers I do not agree with, it is the reluctance of people to listen to what I am saying/asking that makes them think I believe everything I listen to.

Ever heard the saying, 'don't judge a book by it's cover'.



When I hear truthers claim stuff I know absolutely to be pure bullshit, I cannot help but have extreme skepticism of everything they say, especially when the bullshit of every point sounds so similar.
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So, do you believe that men landed on the moon? There are some very well educated folks that try to make the case it was faked. Perhaps you are willing to be skeptical of their claims.



I have no reason to think men did not land on the moon.



Plenty of people that are well educated in applicable fields think so, and since you put a lot of weight upon what the well educated among the 911 truthers say, why shouldn't similar learned people be as convincing on another subject?

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Why is it you are not so skeptical of the 911 truther claims?



There are plenty of claims form certain truthers I do not agree with, it is the reluctance of people to listen to what I am saying/asking that makes them think I believe everything I listen to.

Ever heard the saying, 'don't judge a book by it's cover'.



When I hear truthers claim stuff I know absolutely to be pure bullshit, I cannot help but have extreme skepticism of everything they say, especially when the bullshit of every point sounds so similar.



Some people are really good at shoveling bullshit.. but there are some that just show up with shovels so big.. they win by default.

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Plenty of people that are well educated in applicable fields think so, and since you put a lot of weight upon what the well educated among the 911 truthers say, why shouldn't similar learned people be as convincing on another subject?



1. The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.
2. Double standards in the application of criticism.
3. The making of judgments without full inquiry.
4. Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.
7. Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.
8. Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.
9. Making unsubstantiated counter-claims.
10. Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
11. Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.
12. Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.
13. Asserting that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (Argument from ignorance).
15. They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.
16. No references to reputable journal material.


Wow you included quite a few of the characteristics of a pseudoskeptic in that paragraph,

lets anylise the next one;

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When I hear truthers claim stuff I know absolutely to be pure bullshit, I cannot help but have extreme skepticism of everything they say, especially when the bullshit of every point sounds so similar.



1. The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.
2. Double standards in the application of criticism.
3. The making of judgments without full inquiry.
4. Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.
5. Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.
6. Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.
7. Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.
8. Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.
9. Making unsubstantiated counter-claims.
10. Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
11. Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.
12. Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.
13. Asserting that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (Argument from ignorance).
14. They speak down to their audience using 'arguments from authority'.
15. They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.
16. No references to reputable journal material.

Since i don't know what you do for a living, i cannot say whether you used # 17 or not but aside from that you got 100%

well done!

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1. The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.
2. Double standards in the application of criticism.
3. The making of judgments without full inquiry.
4. Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.
5. Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.
6. Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.
7. Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.
8. Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.
9. Making unsubstantiated counter-claims.
10. Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
11. Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.
12. Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.
13. Asserting that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (Argument from ignorance).
14. They speak down to their audience using 'arguments from authority'.
15. They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.
16. No references to reputable journal material.

Congratulations. You just described your attitude in 16 easy lines. :)

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You're the one that has SO often made the appeal to authority - in that you put so much weight on the scientists/engineers and so on within the ranks of truthers. Since you do that for 911 truthers, why shouldn't it work for moon landing doubters?
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You're the one that has SO often made the appeal to authority - in that you put so much weight on the scientists/engineers and so on within the ranks of truthers. Since you do that for 911 truthers, why shouldn't it work for moon landing doubters?



I really don't want to fall for your trick and go off on a tangent but I will say as I have said to you earlier.

I have no reason to think that people have not landed on the moon. Period.

I have all the reason to think that the US government and the corporate media have been lying to us purposefully, about the events of 9/11.

The events that took place on that day have been used as an excuse for altering the world’s history and affecting all of our lives in ways we cannot even begin to imagine.

Keeping quiet or simply blowing off the serious and well founded accusations is in itself criminal.

The majority are lemmings and are too scared to stand up the opposition that has been put in place by well crafted and thought out propaganda.

You and all the deniers here have been 'brainwashed' yes i said it, brainwashed into thinking that it was plotted by some Muslims in a cave.

You are also brainwashed into thinking all Muslims with a beard and robes are terrorists and you have also been brainwashed into thinking that it is O.k. to go and murder human beings in the name of acquiring natural recourses.

The crooks have gone too far, the pnac and the crooks are in damage control mode, your army of deniers are in defensive mode, and (mainstream) truth is just around the corner.

The biggest problem will be getting the deniers to accept to themselve that they have been wrong the whole time.

The PNAC know they have been lying, NIST know they have been lying.

The power will come from you lot letting your morals allow you to accept that you have been duped and/or have been lying to yourselves...

Neil Armstrong and co. has nothing to do with it.

If you cannot argue your point without changing the subject I suggest you keep your mouth shut/ refrain from posting.
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You're the one that has SO often made the appeal to authority - in that you put so much weight on the scientists/engineers and so on within the ranks of truthers. Since you do that for 911 truthers, why shouldn't it work for moon landing doubters?



I really don't want to fall for your trick and go off on a tangent but I will say as I have said to you earlier.

I have no reason to think that people have not landed on the moon. Period.

I have all the reason to think that the US government and the corporate media have been lying to us purposefully, about the events of 9/11.Why?

The events that took place on that day have been used as an excuse for altering the world’s history and affecting all of our lives in ways we cannot even begin to imagine.what has been altered?

Keeping quiet or simply blowing off the serious and well founded accusations is in itself criminal.Most do not see what you see

The majority are lemmings and are too scared to stand up the opposition that has been put in place by well crafted and thought out propaganda.You can stop being that lemming anytime you wish

You and all the deniers here have been 'brainwashed' yes i said it, brainwashed into thinking that it was plotted by some Muslims in a cave.Ya, there is some brainwashing going on for sure. Looked in a mirror lately?

You are also brainwashed into thinking all Muslims with a beard and robes are terrorists and you have also been brainwashed into thinking that it is O.k. to go and murder human beings in the name of acquiring natural recourses.Who thinks that? I have not seen that on this site or in the US in general. And what natural resources have been taken? Or do you think this is a set up for the future?

The crooks have gone too far, the pnac and the crooks are in damage control mode, your army of deniers are in defensive mode, and (mainstream) truth is just around the corner.

The biggest problem will be getting the deniers to accept to themselve that they have been wrong the whole time. You need to acept you are wrong

The PNAC know they have been lying, NIST know they have been lying.No, just you

The power will come from you lot letting your morals allow you to accept that you have been duped and/or have been lying to yourselves...

Neil Armstrong and co. has nothing to do with it.

If you cannot argue your point without changing the subject I suggest you keep your mouth shut/ refrain from posting.

Oh, he hit a nerve?
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I have all the reason to think that the US government and the corporate media have been lying to us purposefully, about the events of 9/11.



1. The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.

3. The making of judgments without full inquiry.

12. Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.

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The events that took place on that day have been used as an excuse for altering the world’s history and affecting all of our lives in ways we cannot even begin to imagine.



10. Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.

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The majority are lemmings and are too scared to stand up the opposition that has been put in place by well crafted and thought out propaganda.

You and all the deniers here have been 'brainwashed' yes i said it, brainwashed into thinking that it was plotted by some Muslims in a cave.

You are also brainwashed into thinking all Muslims with a beard and robes are terrorists and you have also been brainwashed into thinking that it is O.k. to go and murder human beings in the name of acquiring natural recourses.



4. Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.

5. Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.

6. Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.

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The crooks have gone too far, the pnac and the crooks are in damage control mode, your army of deniers are in defensive mode, and (mainstream) truth is just around the corner.

The biggest problem will be getting the deniers to accept to themselve that they have been wrong the whole time.

The PNAC know they have been lying, NIST know they have been lying.



15. They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.

16. No references to reputable journal material.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The biggest problem will be getting the deniers truthers to accept to themselves that they have been wrong the whole time.



Fixed it fer ye. ;)
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