dreamdancer 0 #26 March 30, 2009 QuoteUnless sterilization is a condition of receiving aid, I strongly oppose providing any. so, sterilise the bankers (they took vast amounts of our money) have you heard of nuclear fusion?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #27 March 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteUnless sterilization is a condition of receiving aid, I strongly oppose providing any. so, sterilise the bankers (they took vast amounts of our money) have you heard of nuclear fusion? Okay, stay with me here. A bank is a legal entity. The bank hires people called bankers. The bank and the bankers are separate legal entities. The banks took the bailout funds, not the bankers. If the banks were allowed to fail, the bankers would either be self-sufficient or not. Odds are that they would have sufficient resources to do quite nicely. If the bankers were not self sufficient after the failure of the banks, and chose to seek public assistance, then yes, they should focus on things other than offspring. What the hell does nuclear fusion have to do with anything? Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #28 March 30, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Unless sterilization is a condition of receiving aid, I strongly oppose providing any. so, sterilise the bankers (they took vast amounts of our money) have you heard of nuclear fusion? Okay, stay with me here. A bank is a legal entity. The bank hires people called bankers. The bank and the bankers are separate legal entities. The banks took the bailout funds, not the bankers. If the banks were allowed to fail, the bankers would either be self-sufficient or not. Odds are that they would have sufficient resources to do quite nicely. If the bankers were not self sufficient after the failure of the banks, and chose to seek public assistance, then yes, they should focus on things other than offspring. What the hell does nuclear fusion have to do with anything? Blue skies, Winsor so, by your logic we should just call every bankrupt poor person a 'banker' and give them lots and lots of money (nuclear fusion = possible energy source)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #29 March 30, 2009 so, by your logic we should just call every bankrupt poor person a 'banker' and give them lots and lots of money (nuclear fusion = possible energy source) I now realize my error in expecting coherence on your part. My bad. FWIW, "logic" is a clearly defined process, not just a word you throw in to round out a sentence. For the record, I think that any policy of handing out money is suspect at best, to include bank bailouts and Sally Struthers solving the underpopulation problem of starving regions. We already have nuclear fusion energy available in abundance, though the efficiency by which we convert said energy into a form usable by us is poor. The radiation from nuclear fusion is responsible for countless deaths every year, and the energy is in fact, the core basis for "climate change." Even with the reactor kept at a safe distance - in this case 93 million miles - nuclear fusion is not without its dangers. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #30 March 30, 2009 Quote (nuclear fusion = possible energy source) And Magic Beans. Don't forget about Magic Beans. There are probably other possible energy sources I haven't thought of yet too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #31 March 30, 2009 Quote I now realize my error in expecting coherence on your part. My bad. FWIW, "logic" is a clearly defined process, not just a word you throw in to round out a sentence. slide rule 'logic' that ends with a call for enforced sterilisation of the poor is not logic - but simplistic propaganda (do you find eugenics logical) you don't think we'll ever get working fusion reactors?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 March 30, 2009 QuoteIf you need a sophisticated processor to support your case, odds are your conclusion is wrong. Case in point: AlGore using CGI to bring Comic Book Physics to life to support his crusade for junk science. Be careful that you don't confuse the means of calculation with the means of presentation.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #33 March 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteIf you need a sophisticated processor to support your case, odds are your conclusion is wrong. Case in point: AlGore using CGI to bring Comic Book Physics to life to support his crusade for junk science. Be careful that you don't confuse the means of calculation with the means of presentation. Not a problem - I start by checking calculations. In the 1970s the same data were used to support the concept of global COOLING. Then they decided that the trends really said WARMING. Now they have thrown in the towel and simply say CHANGE. Kinda covers their bases with that one. AlGore does not have the credentials to take a Freshman course in the subject at - nor to be admitted to - a reputable institution of technical education. The idea of him "educating" anyone about much of anything is nothing short of ludicrous. Junk science is junk science, and the idea that there is enough substance in the "climate change" model to warrant much attention at all is absurd. We have problems that are orders of magnitude more compelling than anything the AlGore crowd can envision, and I will not waste the time to be polite to those who espouse nonsense. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 March 30, 2009 QuoteI endorse the statement of the good Mr. Aiello. and would like to subscribe to his newsletter ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 March 30, 2009 Quote'logic' that ends with a call for enforced sterilisation of the poor is not logic so step away from trolling on the hyperbolic application of the comment and hit the main point (recognizing it's not nearly as entertaining for you - but it's run it's course and you are tedious now) What do think about enabling people financially to overpopulate when their natural means would be just the opposite? Wouldn't you consider it would promote acceleration of exactly the wrong behaviors and trends? Self sufficiency is a great thing. Bypassing it causes 99% of all social problems which then can't be fixed by bypassing it more aggressively. I guess in your world, it's worth destroying entire cultures by artificially propping them up to the point of self destruction - in order for a few people to pat themselves on the back and feel smug. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #36 March 30, 2009 Quote Not a problem - I start by checking calculations. Good. Then you realize your "case in point" is a bogus example with which you attempted to mislead readers by referencing Gore's means of presentation instead of his means of calculation. Quote In the 1970s the same data were used to support the concept of global COOLING. Then they decided that the trends really said WARMING. Now they have thrown in the towel and simply say CHANGE. Kinda covers their bases with that one. Nice revision of science. Quote Junk science is junk science, and the idea that there is enough substance in the "climate change" model to warrant much attention at all is absurd. It's funny how the "junk science" side of the issue is the one backed by evidence and peer reviewed studies, while the other side of the issue is represented by blogs and editorials, but very few, if any, studies published in respected, peer refereed journals. Quote We have problems that are orders of magnitude more compelling than anything the AlGore crowd can envision, and I will not waste the time to be polite to those who espouse nonsense. If that were true, you would be criticizing Gore's critics, not his documentary, for it is his critics who are espousing the nonsense.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #37 March 30, 2009 Quote For instance, in 2005, all of humanity's ecological footprint was the equivalent of 1.3 earths, so just four years ago, we were only 30% over our sustainability. -------------- What's the trend line on that WAG? And level of precision? Only to the tenth? That would likely be a nearly stable figure from year to year. That number was provided by the Global Footprint Network, qualifying it as a SWAG, rather than just a run-of-the-mill WAG. Here's a trend chart: http://www.footprintnetwork.org/en/index.php/GFN/page/world_footprint/Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #38 March 31, 2009 Quote I guess in your world, it's worth destroying entire cultures by artificially propping them up to the point of self destruction - in order for a few people to pat themselves on the back and feel smug. why are you talking about those white, blue eyed bankers again stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #39 March 31, 2009 Quote Quote I guess in your world, it's worth destroying entire cultures by artificially propping them up to the point of self destruction - in order for a few people to pat themselves on the back and feel smug. why are you talking about those white, blue eyed bankers again I was talking about 3rd world countries and well meaning but poorly thought out (the never-think-things-through crowd) aid legislation. But, to your comment - I am happy to see that you now admit that Congress and the mortgage industry (blue eyed bankers) did mess up the housing industry. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
