jakee 1,594 #176 May 6, 2009 QuoteI'd prefer that you NOT mis-quote me, thanks very much. I do NOT agree with you and stated why in my response. Then you'd better have another go at answering my question, you've obviously misunderstood it. Take 2: How would you feel if a state governor running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #177 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah, what a dick. Even though he disagrees with their decision, he thinks the marriage laws should be controled at the state level. Even though he disagrees with homsexuality because he is Christian, his faith also teaches love and understanding. How dare we have people like that? Yeah, he's so understanding that he thinks it's dangerous for the queers to have access to children. What a guy! His children. He didn't say anything about your children. Understanding doesn't equal condonding or supporting. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #178 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'd prefer that you NOT mis-quote me, thanks very much. I do NOT agree with you and stated why in my response. Then you'd better have another go at answering my question, you've obviously misunderstood it. Take 2: How would you feel if a state governor running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? I answered your question clearly enough, provided you don't misquote me again.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #179 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'd prefer that you NOT mis-quote me, thanks very much. I do NOT agree with you and stated why in my response. Then you'd better have another go at answering my question, you've obviously misunderstood it. Take 2: How would you feel if a state governor running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? I answered your question clearly enough, provided you don't misquote me again. I copied and pasted your reply. How is that a mis-quote? Take 3: How would you feel if a state governor running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #180 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah, what a dick. Even though he disagrees with their decision, he thinks the marriage laws should be controled at the state level. Even though he disagrees with homsexuality because he is Christian, his faith also teaches love and understanding. How dare we have people like that? Yeah, he's so understanding that he thinks it's dangerous for the queers to have access to children. What a guy! His children. He didn't say anything about your children. Understanding doesn't equal condonding or supporting. I'd say someone who thinks it's dangerous for queers to be around his children is pretty fucking far from understanding.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #181 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYeah, what a dick. Even though he disagrees with their decision, he thinks the marriage laws should be controled at the state level. Even though he disagrees with homsexuality because he is Christian, his faith also teaches love and understanding. How dare we have people like that? Yeah, he's so understanding that he thinks it's dangerous for the queers to have access to children. What a guy! His children. He didn't say anything about your children. Understanding doesn't equal condonding or supporting. I'd say someone who thinks it's dangerous for queers to be around his children is pretty fucking far from understanding. You're the only one who's using the word dangerous. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #182 May 6, 2009 QuoteYou're the only one who's using the word dangerous. OK, someone who thinks it's unnacceptable for queers to be around his kids. Either way, it'd take spin of Alastair Campbell-like proportions to make out that he's anything other than a bigotted arsehole.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #183 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou're the only one who's using the word dangerous. OK, someone who thinks it's unnacceptable for queers to be around his kids. Either way, it'd take spin of Alastair Campbell-like proportions to make out that he's anything other than a bigotted arsehole. Except for the part where he says the decision should remain at the state level, he's had gay friends, and his faith teaches love towards all people. Just because he disagrees does not make him a bigot. This is a huge, recurring theme in this thread. Disagreement does not equal ignorance, bigotry, or extremism. The absurd amount of hypocricy is, of course, calling these people bigots and extremists because they disagree with your views of 'open-mindedness.' -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #184 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteHow would you feel if a state governor Senator running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? You mean like the current administration? Unclever way of avoiding the question.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #185 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[ According to Gallup, the vast majority thinks abortion should only be legal in few circumstances. Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup 2nd request: How about a link that shows "a vast majority" want abortion illegal for RAPE or INCEST victims, like Palin does. mnealtx - please note the word "WANT". I said the vast majority only support abortion in few circumstances and Palin would fit into that category of the poll. My point was that she isn't a fringe right extremist in her views. If you want to show a poll on people's opion of abortion in cases of rape, then please do. OK, here's one.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #186 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[ According to Gallup, the vast majority thinks abortion should only be legal in few circumstances. Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup 2nd request: How about a link that shows "a vast majority" want abortion illegal for RAPE or INCEST victims, like Palin does. mnealtx - please note the word "WANT". I said the vast majority only support abortion in few circumstances and Palin would fit into that category of the poll. My point was that she isn't a fringe right extremist in her views. If you want to show a poll on people's opion of abortion in cases of rape, then please do. OK, here's one. Really? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #187 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'd prefer that you NOT mis-quote me, thanks very much. I do NOT agree with you and stated why in my response. Then you'd better have another go at answering my question, you've obviously misunderstood it. Take 2: How would you feel if a state governor running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? I answered your question clearly enough, provided you don't misquote me again. I copied and pasted your reply. How is that a mis-quote? Take 3: How would you feel if a state governor running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? You copied and pasted PART of my reply. Answers 2 and 3: Re-read the ENTIRE reply to your question 1. KEEP re-reading it until the concept becomes clear to you, especially the last sentence.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #188 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you feel if a state governor Senator running for President said that he wanted all guns to be illegal? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? You mean like the current administration? Unclever way of avoiding the question. Actually, it's quite clever and quite relevant if you know Obama's voting history - sorry your understanding of it was lacking.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #189 May 6, 2009 QuoteAnswers 2 and 3: Re-read the ENTIRE reply to your question 1. KEEP re-reading it until the concept becomes clear to you, especially the last sentence. Those parts of your reply are not an answer to the question. It's quite clear at the first reading that those parts of your reply are all about talking around the question without ever coming face to face with it. Look, it's my fault really, when I said you could make the question about whoever you wanted, I didn't realise you would interpret that as permission to change the whole set-up of the question until it was no longer in any way analogous to the Palin situation. I expected better of you and I got burned. So, take 4, and I'll be real clear this time: How would you feel if a state governor thinking of running for President said, in answer to a question about whether he/she would support a measure banning all guns, "I would. And you know, it's no secret that I'm anti-gun."? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #190 May 6, 2009 QuoteExcept for the part where he says the decision should remain at the state level, That just means he's a supporter of state's rights. That's great, if you like that kind of thing, but says nothing about his attitude towards gay people. Quotehe's had gay friends, And loads of racists claim to have black friends. But if they call 'em niggers and wont let them inside the house when the kids are home... Quoteand his faith teaches love towards all people. Just because he disagrees does not make him a bigot. No, the fact that he calls their lifestyle sinful and wrong, calls them derogatory names and thinks they shouldn't be allowed near his family makes him a bigot. QuoteThis is a huge, recurring theme in this thread. Yeah, there is. You keep trying to spin bigotry into something noble. QuoteThe absurd amount of hypocricy is, of course, calling these people bigots and extremists because they disagree with your views of 'open-mindedness.' Sweet, I just won a bet with myself. I knew that sooner or later you were going to say that calling bigotry when you see it is bigotted. That's like, totally meta, or something.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #191 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[ According to Gallup, the vast majority thinks abortion should only be legal in few circumstances. Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup 2nd request: How about a link that shows "a vast majority" want abortion illegal for RAPE or INCEST victims, like Palin does. mnealtx - please note the word "WANT". I said the vast majority only support abortion in few circumstances and Palin would fit into that category of the poll. My point was that she isn't a fringe right extremist in her views. If you want to show a poll on people's opion of abortion in cases of rape, then please do. OK, here's one. Really? You have not produced one AT ALL, despite being asked several times. Your "few circumstances" in the Gallup polls INCLUDE rape and incest. Palin EXCLUDES rape and incest. She is out of touch and extreme.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #192 May 6, 2009 QuoteMaybe 'vast majority' is the wrong phrase. How about, 'Only In Few Circumstances' was the overwhelming choice for those polled. Fair enough, however reconciling that statement with the fact that 50-51 percent of those polled identified themselves as pro-choice, and 53 percent do not believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned, gives a decent idea of what those people considered to be "a few". I'd wager that Palin would not describe herself as pro-choice. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #193 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteMaybe 'vast majority' is the wrong phrase. How about, 'Only In Few Circumstances' was the overwhelming choice for those polled. Fair enough, however reconciling that statement with the fact that 50-51 percent of those polled identified themselves as pro-choice, and 53 percent do not believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned, gives a decent idea of what those people considered to be "a few". I'd wager that Palin would not describe herself as pro-choice. Blues, Dave I think those numbers are FAR higher like closer to 80% or even higher.. when their dear little Susie finds herself pregnant when her parents who have taught her that abstinance is the only birth control method needed...fails them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #194 May 6, 2009 QuoteSo, take 4, and I'll be real clear this time: How would you feel if a state governor thinking of running for President said, in answer to a question about whether he/she would support a measure banning all guns, "I would. And you know, it's no secret that I'm anti-gun."? Would you give him a pass on that just because he hadn't banned guns completely in his own state? I would not vote for a politician that had implemented law banning guns. Since Palin has not passed any laws restricting abortion, I would have no qualms about voting for her in your (extremely) hypothetical situation. As I said SEVERAL times above and you could not grasp - "Actions speak louder than words". Is that finally clear to you now, or do I have to explain it yet again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #195 May 6, 2009 >I would not vote for a politician that had implemented law banning guns. Cool. So at least in that aspect you'd have no problem voting for Obama next election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #196 May 6, 2009 QuoteSince Palin has not passed any laws restricting abortion, She has supported bills to restrict abortion in Alaska, but they have not made it through the Legislature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #197 May 6, 2009 Quote>I would not vote for a politician that had implemented law banning guns. Cool. So at least in that aspect you'd have no problem voting for Obama next election. Wow, another person that's never looked at Obama's voting record...I'm very disappointed, Bill.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #198 May 6, 2009 >Wow, another person that's never looked at Obama's voting record... >I'm very disappointed, Bill. You're very misinformed, actually! If you really believe that, please post a link to the law that Obama implemented that banned guns. I'll wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #199 May 6, 2009 Quote>Wow, another person that's never looked at Obama's voting record... >I'm very disappointed, Bill. You're very misinformed, actually! If you really believe that, please post a link to the law that Obama implemented that banned guns. I'll wait. Ha, ha. I would not vote for a Governor that signed an anti-2nd bill or for a Senator that voted for an anti-2nd bill as a general rule. If both candidates had done so, I would review the rest of the voting record (or laws signed) to see if there was a continuing trend or if it were a 'one-off' situation. Does that make it clear, or do I need to explain still further, since you're in "deliberately obtuse" mode?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #200 May 6, 2009 QuoteI would not vote for a Governor that signed an anti-2nd bill . . . Ah, OK. So if the Governor just said that he would sign such a bill, but the bill never actually made it to him to sign, then you would still consider voting for him because it was just words with no action? Which is pretty relevant to Palin and the abortion situation. I think that since she can't even get a bill passed requiring parental consent for abortion in Alaska, she probably realizes that she's not going to get a law passed to make most abortions illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
