DanG 1 #51 March 19, 2009 QuoteBut they still take from the country way more than they contribute. That claim has been made here many times. No one has ever backed it up. Are you any different? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #52 March 19, 2009 QuoteI ask again... have we forgotten 9/11? There has to be a sane and sensible way of controling our border and who enters this country. Were the 9/11 hijackers in the US illegally?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #53 March 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut they still take from the country way more than they contribute. That claim has been made here many times. No one has ever backed it up. Are you any different? On the other hand... where's the proof they don't? I hear on the (local) news where illegals kids are signed-up for free meals at schools, adults get free medical care and etc. I'm a natural born citizen of the U.S. A. and can't get 'free' medical care! I hear also of cases of Social Security fraud and welfare fraud. Maybe, the news you get doesn't tell these stories!? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #54 March 19, 2009 QuoteOn the other hand... where's the proof they don't? On the other, other hand where's the proof that they're not all clones from Alpha Centuri here to suck our brains? I haven't seen any proof of that either! If you're going to claim a fact (illegals take more out of the system than they put in) it is your job to show even a shred of evidence to support it. It is not everyone else's job to prove you wrong. QuoteI hear on the (local) news where illegals kids are signed-up for free meals at schools, adults get free medical care and etc. Cool, if it's on the news it shouldn't be so hard to Google it and bolster your case. QuoteI'm a natural born citizen of the U.S. A. and can't get 'free' medical care! Sure you can. If you qualify for Medicare or Medicaid you get free healthcare. Or are you arguing that all illegals get free medical care regardless of their situation? If so, that's another claim I think you'll have trouble proving. QuoteI hear also of cases of Social Security fraud and welfare fraud. Again, please share. Make sure to include data on how widespread the problem is, and if it is offset by SS contributions, unemployment insurance contributions, and other taxes. Good luck with that. QuoteMaybe, the news you get doesn't tell these stories!? Maybe not. You haven't shown us anything to indicate that your news tells these stories either. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #55 March 19, 2009 QuoteHell most of them get more support from the government as far as welfare, medical and schooling over the citizens of this country. BINGO! Immigration isn't the problem. Immigrants, whether legal or illegal, are not the problem. The problem is socialism. Take away socialism, and most anti-immigration (whether legal or illegal) folks will have no issue with it. Of course, the pro-immigrant folks will then have a problem. Immigration won't occur as much, and immigrants here will have no further stigma that they don't work hard, etc. They'll be out of jobs complaining about disparate treatment. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #56 March 19, 2009 Quote hear on the (local) news where illegals kids are signed-up for free meals at schools, adults get free medical care and etc. I'm a natural born citizen of the U.S. A. and can't get 'free' medical care! I hear also of cases of Social Security fraud and welfare fraud. What if socialism was eliminated? Would you still have the same objections to illegal immigration? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #57 March 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteI ask again... have we forgotten 9/11? There has to be a sane and sensible way of controling our border and who enters this country. Were the 9/11 hijackers in the US illegally? No! 19 of the hijackers that day were here on student visas. Doesn't that tell you that maybe we need to check people wanting to come to this country just a wee bit closer? Which is my main point. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #58 March 19, 2009 What would you like to see? Our government just open our borders and tell the world 'just come on in'? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #59 March 19, 2009 QuoteNo! 19 of the hijackers that day were here on student visas. Doesn't that tell you that maybe we need to check people wanting to come to this country just a wee bit closer? It has nothing to do with illegal immigration, which is what I thought we were discussing.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #60 March 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo! 19 of the hijackers that day were here on student visas. Doesn't that tell you that maybe we need to check people wanting to come to this country just a wee bit closer? It has nothing to do with illegal immigration, which is what I thought we were discussing. You missed my point completely about securing our borders and knowing exactly who is coming to our country to live. That has everything to do with illegal aliens! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #61 March 19, 2009 Do you really want me to post ALL the stories I found from the various news media? You'd be reading for a month. Besides... I doubt it would change your thinking. Also, tell that to a friend of mine who is on Social Security and was told he would have to pay so much a month for medicare! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #62 March 19, 2009 QuoteWhat would you like to see? Our government just open our borders and tell the world 'just come on in'? Yes, I would. I don't think we ought to give handouts to them (or anyone else), and I'm ok with screening out people who mean us (either us collectively, i.e. terrorists, or us individually, i.e. criminals) harm. But generally, yes, I don't think barriers to immigration are a good idea.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #63 March 19, 2009 QuoteWhat would you like to see? Our government just open our borders and tell the world 'just come on in'? Chuck Very nearly that. There is plenty that people can get here in the US that they can't get elsewhere. Some peasant from El Salvador can see what is handed out in the US and it'll be worth the trip. On the other hand, if word became known that there sin't free medical, retirement, unemployment, etc., well, the marginal utility of showing up is reduced. Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land." Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel; this is the Promised Land!" Perhaps the new message should be, "Come to America. Think you can handle it? Prove it." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #64 March 19, 2009 Quote Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel; this is the Promised Land!" By creating jobs? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #65 March 19, 2009 QuotePerhaps the new message should be, "Come to America. Think you can handle it? Prove it." I prefer: "New Jersey: You got a problem with that?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #66 March 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhat would you like to see? Our government just open our borders and tell the world 'just come on in'? Yes, I would. I don't think we ought to give handouts to them (or anyone else), and I'm ok with screening out people who mean us (either us collectively, i.e. terrorists, or us individually, i.e. criminals) harm. That's pretty much, what some of us have been saying here who are against 'illegal aliens'. The way it is now, anyone can just sneak across our border, un-checked! They wanna come here... go through the process to become a citizen! Chuck But generally, yes, I don't think barriers to immigration are a good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #67 March 19, 2009 Since others won't do the research into the urban legends about illegal immigrants, I did a bit. Seems there's an awful lotta bullshit floating around there. From Snopes: http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=illegal+immigrants+benefits&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #68 March 20, 2009 Quote Quote Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel; this is the Promised Land!" By creating jobs? You're right. That was more of an LBJ thing. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #69 March 20, 2009 QuoteDo you really want me to post ALL the stories I found from the various news media? How about just one or two? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #70 March 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you really want me to post ALL the stories I found from the various news media? How about just one or two? I'll see what I can do. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #71 March 20, 2009 Quote I have several friends that were in the construction business,,,but now they can't even find work. But look on the other side. There was a lot of manufacturing jobs here in US some time ago. But since the employers were unable to find cheap workers, they shut it down completely. Now you have to go to China to get such a job. At least there are still jobs for your friends here. And the reason why now they can't find work is largely because of frozen development projects, not swamps of illegal immigrants.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #72 March 20, 2009 Quote I also have a 10 year old daughter that was involved in a school function. I went to watch the performance,,,when the principle stood up to thank the families for coming out and supporting their kids, there was a spanish translator that translated every word for the families that couldn't speak or understand English. I understand it might piss you off that not everyone in this world understands English, but unfortunately this is reality. My wife's parents came to U.S. visiting us, and went to a similar performance, and we also translated every word to them and to another older couple visiting their kids. Please apologize them, and me too.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #73 March 20, 2009 Quote Quote I also have a 10 year old daughter that was involved in a school function. I went to watch the performance,,,when the principle stood up to thank the families for coming out and supporting their kids, there was a spanish translator that translated every word for the families that couldn't speak or understand English. I understand it might piss you off that not everyone in this world understands English, but unfortunately this is reality. My wife's parents came to U.S. visiting us, and went to a similar performance, and we also translated every word to them and to another older couple visiting their kids. Please apologize them, and me too. Yes but YOU like so many others before you have learned to speak ENGLISH.... you did not expect US to learn Russian. ( well pretty much anyway) There is a segment of the assholes coming from our south that are part of the reconquista movement... and refuse to learn English and expect those of us here in our own country to cater to them.... I say FUCK EM... go home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #74 March 20, 2009 And like the story indicated, there is a substantial portion of these people whose children learn the language and mix in. Incidentally, it is the children of these immigrants who are Americanized and become the pains in the ass that you mention. It is they who argue that their culture should be imported to dominate in El Norte. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #75 March 20, 2009 Quote There is a segment of the assholes coming from our south that are part of the reconquista movement... and refuse to learn English and expect those of us here in our own country to cater to them.... I say FUCK EM... go home. Now then... how do you say that in Lakota? Hmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
