jcd11235 0 #1 March 9, 2009 President Barack Obama will lift his predecessor's restriction on federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research on Monday and will give the National Institutes of Health four months to come up with new rules on the issue, officials said on Sunday. Obama will not lay out guidelines himself but will let the NIH decide when it is ethical and legal to pay for embryonic stem cell research, science adviser Dr. Harold Varmus said. Researchers and advocates have been invited to a White House ceremony at which Obama will make the announcement, said Melody Barnes, director of Obama's domestic policy council. He will also sign a pledge to "restore scientific integrity in governmental decision making," Barnes said. … Reuters article Thankfully, another Bush mistake will be corrected.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 March 9, 2009 With recent advances in converting regular cells into stem cells I can see where this will cause the religiously opposed to lament that their strategy almost forced science to come up with an alternative. One that may not be developed now. I hope it is. Not that I care one way or another,but clearly a lot of people do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #3 March 9, 2009 Actually, regardless of what Obama decrees, I don't see this as changing the research at UW-Madison and Japan regarding use of non embryonic stem cell research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #4 March 9, 2009 QuoteActually, regardless of what Obama decrees, I don't see this as changing the research at UW-Madison and Japan regarding use of non embryonic stem cell research. I doubt it was meant to. I don't think the decision was meant to shut down avenues of research (like Bush did), it was to open them up.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #5 March 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteActually, regardless of what Obama decrees, I don't see this as changing the research at UW-Madison and Japan regarding use of non embryonic stem cell research. I doubt it was meant to. I don't think the decision was meant to shut down avenues of research (like Bush did), it was to open them up. I am not suggesting he wants to shut down avenues of research. I am suggesting that in a world with limited resources, the ban on embryonic stem cells in US would have the economic effect of shifting resources toward finding alternatives (and fleshing out serendipitous leads) that would have been directed elsewhere under different circumstances. Your basic "necessity is the mother of invention" argument used by the environmental lobby wrt fuel taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #6 March 9, 2009 I wonder if companies that supply truckloads of aborted fetuses will become the next hot stock pick. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 March 9, 2009 Quote I wonder if companies that supply truckloads of aborted fetuses will become the next hot stock pick. And then of course there is the voice of reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #8 March 9, 2009 Quote Quote I wonder if companies that supply truckloads of aborted fetuses will become the next hot stock pick. And then of course there is the voice of reason. Which you'll find in abundance in SC "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 March 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteActually, regardless of what Obama decrees, I don't see this as changing the research at UW-Madison and Japan regarding use of non embryonic stem cell research. I doubt it was meant to. I don't think the decision was meant to shut down avenues of research (like Bush did), it was to open them up. Except that Bush DIDN'T shut down research, just the creation of NEW stem cell lines. (Bolding mine) QuoteI have concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for research on these existing stem cell lines, where the life-and-death decision has already been made. Leading scientists tell me research on these 60 lines has great promise that could lead to breakthrough therapies and cures. This allows us to explore the promise and potential of stem cell research without crossing a fundamental moral line by providing taxpayer funding that would sanction or encourage further destruction of human embryos that have at least the potential for life. I also believe that great scientific progress can be made through aggressive federal funding of research on umbilical cord, placenta, adult and animal stem cells which do not involve the same moral dilemma. This year, your government will spend $250 million on this important research.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #10 March 9, 2009 Yay! money well spent. So what is the tally now? roughly $1 out of every million the government spends is worthwhile? ...or will be.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 March 9, 2009 QuoteYay! money well spent. So what is the tally now? roughly $1 out of every million the government spends is worthwhile? ...or will be. New headline... Obama plans to lift restriction on federal funding for everything.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 March 9, 2009 Federal funding of research that can be done by the private sector is a waste of tax dollars. I could not care less about any religious argument on the subject. This is just another spending increase. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #13 March 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteActually, regardless of what Obama decrees, I don't see this as changing the research at UW-Madison and Japan regarding use of non embryonic stem cell research. I doubt it was meant to. I don't think the decision was meant to shut down avenues of research (like Bush did), it was to open them up. Except that Bush DIDN'T shut down research, just the creation of NEW stem cell lines. (Bolding mine) Ha ha, very funny.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 March 9, 2009 Quotethe ban on embryonic stem cells in US The title of the post was correct - JCD is honest about it. Your statement is false. It was a ban on "Federal funding" of the research only. Private companies were still able to use the cells as they would. Big difference. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #15 March 9, 2009 Quote President Barack Obama will lift his predecessor's restriction on federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research on Monday and will give the National Institutes of Health four months to come up with new rules on the issue, officials said on Sunday. Obama will not lay out guidelines himself but will let the NIH decide when it is ethical and legal to pay for embryonic stem cell research, science adviser Dr. Harold Varmus said. Researchers and advocates have been invited to a White House ceremony at which Obama will make the announcement, said Melody Barnes, director of Obama's domestic policy council. He will also sign a pledge to "restore scientific integrity in governmental decision making," Barnes said. … Reuters article Thankfully, another Bush mistake will be corrected. Good. I think I'll be in need of a new liver/lungs soon. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 March 9, 2009 Quote Thankfully, another Bush mistake will be corrected. Good. I think I'll be in need of a new liver/lungs soon. No problem - it's easy - first you apply directly at the court house for a permit to see a Docter (TM) (new term, governmentally approved, and a LOT less costly to get a Docter's License than a Doctor's License now that colledge for medicine is payed for by the government - that means it's free) It's only a few forms. Bring a few extra #2 pencils once you see the docter (TM) then return to the courthouse with his recommendation (it's sealed, you are not allowed to see it - if the seal is broken, you will need to pay additional courthouse fees - did I mention the fees? - to have it resealed, then re-education on medical privacy - of your own records - and a loyalty oath - followed by a brief prayer to Barack. You may be scheduled for your surgery - as soon as Nancy Pelosi reviews your medical file and weighs the following (approval is NOT guaranteed): 1 - your age 2 - your lifestyle 3 - your voting record (weighs very high) 4 - extra points for Affirmative Action 5 - political contributions to her campaign (very high) 6 - political contributions to her opponent's campaigns (negative points) 7 - Do you live on the coast (west first, then NE, everywhere else don't apply) 8 - Is there a note in your 'file' that you need to be punished for any comments or speeches you may have made against the government in the last 14 years? other stuff ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #17 March 9, 2009 Quote No problem - it's easy - first you apply directly at the court house for a permit to see a Docter (TM) (new term, governmentally approved, and a LOT less costly to get a Docter's License than a Doctor's License now that colledge for medicine is payed for by the government - that means it's free) It's only a few forms. Bring a few extra #2 pencils once you see the docter (TM) then return to the courthouse with his recommendation (it's sealed, you are not allowed to see it - if the seal is broken, you will need to pay additional courthouse fees - did I mention the fees? - to have it resealed, then re-education on medical privacy - of your own records - and a loyalty oath - followed by a brief prayer to Barack. You may be scheduled for your surgery - as soon as Nancy Pelosi reviews your medical file and weighs the following (approval is NOT guaranteed): 1 - your age 2 - your lifestyle 3 - your voting record (weighs very high) 4 - extra points for Affirmative Action 5 - political contributions to her campaign (very high) 6 - political contributions to her opponent's campaigns (negative points) 7 - Do you live on the coast (west first, then NE, everywhere else don't apply) 8 - Is there a note in your 'file' that you need to be punished for any comments or speeches you may have made against the government in the last 14 years? other stuff Even I don't think it would ever be that bad.... but it was cute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #18 March 9, 2009 ever been on amtrack? it might be.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #19 March 9, 2009 It has been signed. Get to work!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #20 March 9, 2009 Quote ever been on amtrack? it might be.... Actually yes I have... probably 20 trips betweenEverett and Spokane WA... Seattle to LA several times Seattle to Chicago a few times Certainly a lot less hassle than dealing with TSA these days. The trains were on time...and I got to work on my computer connected to the internet while travelling. How about you??? Have you been anywhere on Amtrack? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #21 March 9, 2009 Quote ever been on amtrack? it might be.... My stepson travels back and forth to college on Amtrak. No hassles, no problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #22 March 9, 2009 >I wonder if companies that supply truckloads of aborted fetuses will become the >next hot stock pick. Maybe! On the other hand, the incinerators that used to burn unused fetuses are going to get hit hard. Perhaps they will need a bailout. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #23 March 9, 2009 QuoteFederal funding of research that can be done by the private sector is a waste of tax dollars. I would hate to see the state of solar energy today had the government not provided incentives in that industry in previous decades. Especially in the US, the private sector tends to be short-sighted. They seem to think of the next 5-10 years as long term w/r/t a return on their investment. Long term should be thought of as 50-100 years or longer. Until the private sector learns to do so, it will be necessary for the government to fund research that incurs short-term costs and provides long term benefits.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 March 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteFederal funding of research that can be done by the private sector is a waste of tax dollars. I would hate to see the state of solar energy today had the government not provided incentives in that industry in previous decades. you have that crystal ball? who's to say that it wouldn't be more affordable today - and nearly everyone would have panels - and it wouldn't require stealing money from your neighbors (via tax incentives) to 'encourage' you to install your own are you magic? perhaps had it been kept private and not supplemented with lazy tax dollars, the someone like you or me or even a Billvon wouldn't right now be the CEO of the US Solar Panel Company and Skydiving Conglomerate - bring cheap energy and free Otter rides to friends all over the country or even to your point - maybe it would be a terrible industry.....but something else clever or neat would have developed instead that would serve us better in today's world... perhaps a technology to pull oil from oil shale or something....... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #25 March 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteFederal funding of research that can be done by the private sector is a waste of tax dollars. I would hate to see the state of solar energy today had the government not provided incentives in that industry in previous decades. you have that crystal ball? who's to say that it wouldn't be more affordable today - and nearly everyone would have panels - and it wouldn't require stealing money from your neighbors (via tax incentives) to 'encourage' you to install your own are you magic? perhaps had it been kept private and not supplemented with lazy tax dollars, the someone like you or me or even a Billvon wouldn't right now be the CEO of the US Solar Panel Company and Skydiving Conglomerate - bring cheap energy and free Otter rides to friends all over the country or even to your point - maybe it would be a terrible industry.....but something else clever or neat would have developed instead that would serve us better in today's world... perhaps a technology to pull oil from oil shale or something....... You're right, of course. On a continuous interval, even outcomes whose occurrence has a probability of exactly zero are possible. Such outcomes are still highly unlikely.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
