Skyrad 0 #1 March 6, 2009 A Iranian woman blinded by a face full of acid thrown at her face by a man she turned down following a marriage proposal, is getting her justice eye for an eye style... "He will be anesthetized and will not suffer pain. His face will not be disfigured because only a few drops (of acid) will be needed, he will not have the internal injuries which I had," she told ABC when asked if she felt she was less cruel than her aggressor. "He did not have any compassion when he waited for me for hours outside of my workplace and threw the acid on me," she added. Bahrami recovered 40 percent vision in her right eye but in 2007 she suffered an infection and became totally blind again. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090305/twl-blinded-iranian-woman-welcomes-eye-f-3cd7efd_1.html Do you agree with the punishment?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #2 March 6, 2009 Hard to say. These Arabs, excuse me, middle easterns have a pretty harsh justice system for the most part. What might be normal to them looks barbaric to us. Who knows, if we had laws like that, could we have way lower crime rates than we do with the system we have? Frontier justice in America was pretty rough too back in the old days. We seem to have gotten way too soft on crime these days. Getting your criminal ass raped almost daily in prison doesn't seem to prevent a lot of crime, does it?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 March 6, 2009 QuoteHard to say. These Arabs, excuse me, middle easterns have a pretty harsh justice system for the most part. What might be normal to them looks barbaric to us. Who knows, if we had laws like that, could we have way lower crime rates than we do with the system we have? Frontier justice in America was pretty rough too back in the old days. We seem to have gotten way too soft on crime these days. Getting your criminal ass raped almost daily in prison doesn't seem to prevent a lot of crime, does it? You do realize we have the highest prison population in the world right??? Even China does not measure up to our Law and Order... http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r188.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #4 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteHard to say. These Arabs, excuse me, middle easterns have a pretty harsh justice system for the most part. What might be normal to them looks barbaric to us. Who knows, if we had laws like that, could we have way lower crime rates than we do with the system we have? Frontier justice in America was pretty rough too back in the old days. We seem to have gotten way too soft on crime these days. Getting your criminal ass raped almost daily in prison doesn't seem to prevent a lot of crime, does it? You do realize we have the highest prison population in the world right??? Even China does not measure up to our Law and Order... http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r188.pdf You've got a point. I meant that our justice system is not keeping criminals from committing crime since if they get caught, they will get 3 meals a day, a bed and a roof, all funded by taxpayers. Or they can plead their case in court and sometimes get away with a tiny sentence or no time served."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #5 March 6, 2009 QuoteThese Arabs... Do you know anything about the population of Iran?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #6 March 6, 2009 QuoteDo you agree with the punishment? Hard call. Personally I think that blinding him is a "cruel" punishment but what are the alternatives? Now here in the US, it would be costly fines and lawyer fees, maybe some amount of jail time and possible loss of rights (voting, firearms, some elected official positions) His was a cruel and violent act on her. It was not a sudden unconsidered act... as she states that he had waited for hours. He deserves SOME punishment for his crimes. Which is "fair"? Taking the emotions out is hard. But so is quantifying someone elses pain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #7 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteHard to say. These Arabs, excuse me, middle easterns have a pretty harsh justice system for the most part. What might be normal to them looks barbaric to us. Who knows, if we had laws like that, could we have way lower crime rates than we do with the system we have? Frontier justice in America was pretty rough too back in the old days. We seem to have gotten way too soft on crime these days. Getting your criminal ass raped almost daily in prison doesn't seem to prevent a lot of crime, does it? You do realize we have the highest prison population in the world right??? Even China does not measure up to our Law and Order... http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r188.pdf I wonder if that would be the case without some of the silly drug laws we have in this country... And no, I don't support "an eye for an eye"...There's a better way."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 March 6, 2009 Sounds like karma works.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #9 March 6, 2009 >Which is "fair"? "Fair" would be giving her her sight back. Unfortunately that's not in the cards. To me, blinding, maiming or otherwise crippling someone else is worse than locking them up for 20 years. This way you almost guarantee that they are either a drain on society or become an even more clever criminal. > But so is quantifying someone elses pain. I agree. But one thing that I have learned during my years here is that increasing someone else's pain does not decrease your own. It was a hard lesson to learn, because there's a part of us that "wants them to pay." Collecting payment, though, only demeans you in the long run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 March 6, 2009 QuoteA Iranian woman blinded by a face full of acid thrown at her face by a man she turned down following a marriage proposal, is getting her justice eye for an eye style... "He will be anesthetized and will not suffer pain. His face will not be disfigured because only a few drops (of acid) will be needed, he will not have the internal injuries which I had," she told ABC when asked if she felt she was less cruel than her aggressor. "He did not have any compassion when he waited for me for hours outside of my workplace and threw the acid on me," she added. Bahrami recovered 40 percent vision in her right eye but in 2007 she suffered an infection and became totally blind again. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090305/twl-blinded-iranian-woman-welcomes-eye-f-3cd7efd_1.html Do you agree with the punishment? Sounds typical of a country where women are not valued the same as a man. Me being the compassionate kind of person that I am.. would hunt the fucker down and denut him..... but she does not have that kind of option.. she is disfigured for life and is blind.. so no OTHER man would want her.. his mission was accomplished.Maybe denutted no other woman would want him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #11 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteA Iranian woman blinded by a face full of acid thrown at her face by a man she turned down following a marriage proposal, is getting her justice eye for an eye style... "He will be anesthetized and will not suffer pain. His face will not be disfigured because only a few drops (of acid) will be needed, he will not have the internal injuries which I had," she told ABC when asked if she felt she was less cruel than her aggressor. "He did not have any compassion when he waited for me for hours outside of my workplace and threw the acid on me," she added. Bahrami recovered 40 percent vision in her right eye but in 2007 she suffered an infection and became totally blind again. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090305/twl-blinded-iranian-woman-welcomes-eye-f-3cd7efd_1.html Do you agree with the punishment? Sounds typical of a country where women are not valued the same as a man. Me being the compassionate kind of person that I am.. would hunt the fucker down and denut him..... but she does not have that kind of option.. she is disfigured for life and is blind.. so no OTHER man would want her.. his mission was accomplished.Maybe denutted no other woman would want him. Now that would be vengeance. Not justice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 March 6, 2009 I don't know a lot about their legal system but I do know that for the more draconian aspects of it, such as removing the hand of a thief, a number of evidentiary and witness conditions need to be met so as to be in accordance with the Qur'an and ensuring that it's not done on a whim. My "guess" is that this case is no different.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 March 6, 2009 For kidnappers is do. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #14 March 6, 2009 QuoteFor kidnappers is do. Lawrocket, in light of your reply and considering the Bush administrations' "special renditioning "programs, would you support the kidnapping of CIA agents and American government officials? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteFor kidnappers is do. Lawrocket, in light of your reply and considering the Bush Clinton administrations' "special renditioning "programs, would you support the kidnapping of CIA agents and American government officials? Blues, Cliff Fixed that for you - PDD 39, signed by President Clinton in 1995 (see link above), was the start of the extraordinary rendition program. Instances prior to that seemed to have been handled on a case-by-case basis. Also, if you think that type of thing doesn't already happen (in regards to kidnapping of American gov't officials, agents and citizens), then you're living in a fool's paradise.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #16 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteFor kidnappers is do. Lawrocket, in light of your reply and considering the Bush Clinton administrations' "special renditioning "programs, would you support the kidnapping of CIA agents and American government officials? Blues, Cliff Fixed that for you - PDD 39, signed by President Clinton in 1995 (see link above), was the start of the extraordinary rendition program. Instances prior to that seemed to have been handled on a case-by-case basis. Also, if you think that type of thing doesn't already happen (in regards to kidnapping of American gov't officials, agents and citizens), then you're living in a fool's paradise. So do you support it? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fossg 0 #17 March 6, 2009 Hell has frozen over. I agree with Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siddacious 0 #18 March 6, 2009 I don't really think the whole eye for an eye thing works out as well as one might hope or think. How about making him a slave to the state for a while? I'm sure there are plenty of menial jobs that need people to do them. Then again, there is always the cost of supporting them... Do you think you could get cash flow positive farming out the labor of state owned slaves? Just a thought. Probably a dumb one.A dolor netus non dui aliquet, sagittis felis sodales, dolor sociis mauris, vel eu libero cras. Interdum at. Eget habitasse elementum est. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #19 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteThese Arabs... Do you know anything about the population of Iran? I know, I caught myself while typing that post. You didn't quote the full sentence. Iranians are not Arabs, but they are typically Muslims or at the very least, ruled by an Islamist state. Not all Arabs are Muslims, and not all Muslims are Arabs. That about right?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteFor kidnappers is do. Lawrocket, in light of your reply and considering the Bush administrations' "special renditioning "programs, would you support the kidnapping of CIA agents and American government officials? Blues, Cliff American government officials? Kidnap them? Shit. Fucking kill em, while you're at it. Start with Congress. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #21 March 6, 2009 QuoteDo you agree with the punishment? My problem with this question is the implied idea that the criminal justice system accurately convicts the right people. In my opinion, the criminal justice is a high-stakes poker game between two lawyers, and the side that can afford the best player wins. Therefore I oppose any and all irreversible punishments, (realizing you can't give someone back the time spent in prison.)"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #22 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteFor kidnappers is do. Lawrocket, in light of your reply and considering the Bush administrations' "special renditioning "programs, would you support the kidnapping of CIA agents and American government officials? Blues, Cliff American government officials? Kidnap them? Shit. Fucking kill em, while you're at it. Start with Congress. No. Bankers, C-level executives, and congress creatures acting out of self-interest and ignorance have done more damage to our country than Bin Laden and his Merry Men. We should just broaden a few terms like extending "terrorism" to include "economic damage" of the sort we're now suffering and allow extra-judicial rendition to jurisdictions better equipped to investigate and prosecute such crimes without being hindered by our judicial system. If we send them to a place like China which executes financial criminals and they end up dead, they won't cause any more problems while our hands remain clean. In the 21st century that's how the United States works. You people need to get with the program and be more American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 March 6, 2009 QuoteDo you agree with the punishment? I think the majority of us in here might be culturally unqualified to answer the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #24 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you agree with the punishment? I think the majority of us in here might be culturally unqualified to answer the question. Very true. But one can still examine the situation from different cultures perspective. I don't think he was asking "which is right in THAT culture?" Rather do YOU support eye for eye justice? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you agree with the punishment? I think the majority of us in here might be culturally unqualified to answer the question. Very true. But one can still examine the situation from different cultures perspective. I don't think he was asking "which is right in THAT culture?" Rather do YOU support eye for eye justice? No, I don't. But looking within myself, I recognize that my cultural bias greatly influences that opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
