rhys 0 #51 March 2, 2009 QuoteIf you care to be honest, go back and read my posts in this thread and don't judge me on what this thread has morphed into. What is the point, you are going to keep your mindset, I am not going to change mine. You are enitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. The R/W floks in here will say I hate America because hate GW Bush and what he stands for.... Fortunately I have visited the USA and the Right wingers in here are nothing like the majority of americans I have met. I really like the USA, and with its current presedent, that yes, the majority voted in, it is looking like the USA has a good future. I suppose you think the entire world was stoked with the US policies and consumption of recources that has been happening for almost the last decade?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #52 March 2, 2009 QuoteGive me the alleged stupidity of Governor Palin over the alleged intelligence of President Obama anyday! I've never been able to understand how anybody could support stupidity over principled intelligence in public office. Perhaps you can enlighten us, since you've claimed such support.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #53 March 2, 2009 QuoteQuotejesus is this hypocritical and ridiculous! I think it's the Church, much more than that Jesus character, that is so hypocritical and ridiculous. Since there is little, if any, reliable evidence of Jesus' actual existence, it's probably not anything to get so excited about. First off I agree with you, but where the hell did you come up with that in this thread? Next, I apologize i didn't choose the countries that Mr. Shropshire approves of, though I have hit at least a couple countries on every continent except Antarctica and asia... ONE of em along the way must have your much needed approval. lastly, "The right wingers in here really have proved theemselves as narrow minded, instant gratification, un educated, brainwashed idiots." This statement alone proves your own uneducated and narrow minded position. Suck it lefties, I'm going to bed. ...and I still hate all politicians equally.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #54 March 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotejesus is this hypocritical and ridiculous! I think it's the Church, much more than that Jesus character, that is so hypocritical and ridiculous. Since there is little, if any, reliable evidence of Jesus' actual existence, it's probably not anything to get so excited about. First off I agree with you, but where the hell did you come up with that in this thread? I just quoted and commented. Quotelastly, "The right wingers in here really have proved theemselves as narrow minded, instant gratification, un educated, brainwashed idiots." This statement alone proves your own uneducated and narrow minded position. It doesn't prove anything about me, because I didn't say it. QuoteI still hate all politicians equally. Have you ever noticed that people who make such claims rarely, if ever, criticize all politicians equally? For the record, I hate most politicians, but not equally. Republicans tend to be much worse than Democrats, at least in my lifetime.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #55 March 2, 2009 No shit capitalism is a poor distribution of wealth. Thats because "distributing wealth" is not a part of capitalism. if you want wealth, you have to work at it! Or at least you did. Luckily now everyone will have an equal distribution of poorness.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #56 March 2, 2009 QuoteThats because "distributing wealth" is not a part of capitalism. Distributing wealth, or, more generally, distributing resources, is the purpose of any and every economic system (and government).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #57 March 2, 2009 Quote If the Republicans were elected, IMHO the USA would most likely have become dangerously close to being invaded, I really really mean this. Do you actually believe that if McCain had been elected some part of the rest of the world would have INVADED America? Quote Contrary to what many Americans believe, the USA was 'Hated' for the past few years the world around. Some people worry about being "hated" more than others. We tend to be "hated" if a Rep is the prez. Regan, Bush (to a degree) and Bush II to a large degree. Although I understand that America plays a larger role in world affairs than many (myself included) would like it is really hard to understand why people "love" or "hate" America by the leaders. I mean I just don't care what others think enough to lose any sleep about it. But that invasion thing might have been funny Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #58 March 2, 2009 Quote Do you actually believe that if McCain had been elected some part of the rest of the world would have INVADED America? … But that invasion thing might have been funny It's highly improbable that the US is ever invaded as long as her citizens are armed. We could (and probably should) stand down the vast majority of our regular Army (as opposed to Air Force, Navy, Marines, CG, and various reserve and NG components), and would not be any less safe from invasion.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #59 March 2, 2009 Quoteif you want wealth, you have to work at it! That's not strictly true now is it? There's an awful lot of inherited wealth for a start, with lazy bastards just lounging around on their piles of cash. Also (although not stated) - working hard does not always lead to wealth ... at least not for the worker! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #60 March 2, 2009 I was responding to a few different posters at once so if you didnt catch it- my bad? I hate liberals for their ridiculous robin hood style economics which often transfers into policies of handouts and nationalization. It is plain not fair and wasteful. I can't stand the right for the religious undertones and faith based policy- again meddling with my life and pushing BS policy on me. Especially when we are supposed to have freedom of religion, even if it is none at all. The reason I lean right is because I think all politicians are morons and the less they do to screw up my life the better. They are experts at gaining votes; not business, science, or the environment. Generally the right involves themselves with the least amount of our lives, so they are the lesser of two evils. These people make policy having NO CLUE what they are talking about or who they may effect. Then once it is passed, the genius $10 an hour worker who is assigned to enforce and regulated bogus policy is even more of a half wit. go hang out at the DMV... Me: minimal taxes minimal government strong military Pro choice pro legalizing the ganj (i dont even smoke) Pro stem cell dont care one way or the other on gay marriage so let em get married! Classify me to a party, cuz I cant. Maybe I'm libretarian I dont know, dont really care. Again, I hate all politicians equally, so the less they are in charge of the less damage they can do!So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #61 March 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteif you want wealth, you have to work at it! That's not strictly true now is it? There's an awful lot of inherited wealth for a start, with lazy bastards just lounging around on their piles of cash. Also (although not stated) - working hard does not always lead to wealth ... at least not for the worker! working hard does pay off if you have the drive to better yourself. using you brain gets you to the next level. If you are working for min wage 40-50 hrs a week it is your own fault not someone else's and you deserve what you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #62 March 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteif you want wealth, you have to work at it! That's not strictly true now is it? There's an awful lot of inherited wealth for a start, with lazy bastards just lounging around on their piles of cash. Someon at some point had to bust their @$$ to get that money. then some lucky bastard just got to play with it. I agree, trust funders can be D-bags... some can be cool though! Also (although not stated) - working hard does not always lead to wealth ... at least not for the worker! Not for the worker that makes a choice to just do the same job every day. if they do a good job, apply for a promotion, or take the years of experience they have and they can start tehir own company. The only person that can restrict a working class citizen is themself. So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #63 March 2, 2009 Quote Classify me to a party... Sounds like a moderate conservative to me. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #64 March 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteif you want wealth, you have to work at it! That's not strictly true now is it? There's an awful lot of inherited wealth for a start, with lazy bastards just lounging around on their piles of cash. Also (although not stated) - working hard does not always lead to wealth ... at least not for the worker! working hard does pay off if you have the drive to better yourself. using you brain gets you to the next level. If you are working for min wage 40-50 hrs a week it is your own fault not someone else's and you deserve what you get. Bullshit - pure and simple. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #65 March 2, 2009 QuoteI really really mean this. Do you actually believe that if McCain had been elected some part of the rest of the world would have INVADED America? Yeah, I think the economic collapse would have still happened, but instead of a diplomatic approach to the situation (Obama), the Republicans (McCain) would still have their chaps and 6 shooters on. Americans don't realise the hatred that has been focused against them, even in allied countries and america itself, let alone the countries that could be on the recieving end. I know GW wanted to make the US a safer place (at least that is what he told us) but his administration’s actions did quite the opposite. They may have made it much harder to attack the USA on a small scale but on a large scale the USA is weaker than it was 8 years ago. QuoteSome people worry about being "hated" more than others. We tend to be "hated" if a Rep is the prez. Regan, Bush (to a degree) and Bush II to a large degree. Although I understand that America plays a larger role in world affairs than many (myself included) would like it is really hard to understand why people "love" or "hate" America by the leaders. I mean I just don't care what others think enough to lose any sleep about it. Those scenes you see on the news of mothers holding their bloody children, civilians maimed and killed, infrastructure decimated. These are not scenes from movies. It is reality. If you were on the receiving end you would have hatred. All these people have families, if you have had someone close die, you will know the pain involved with dealing with it. Imagine your entire family was killed by a country that had no right to be there decided to take over and overthrow your government because it didn’t like the way it was run. You would feel the same hatred that many people that have been on the recieving end ,feel. The USA are not the world police, but they sure act like it(under republican rule) . If that continues, severe consequences will occur. I don't want that to happen, and I’m sure most Americans don't want that to happen. It is not the Republicans that the world hates, it is their actions. You have to work out the difference. There is nothing stopping the republicans being peaceful and diplomatic but they simply don't want to be like that. QuoteBut that invasion thing might have been funny Considering the USA needs to import 75% of its oil already, and their military uses copious amounts of oil in order to tick over, it would not have been funny; your country would have been brought to its knees. You sure have some sick sense of humour."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #66 March 2, 2009 Quote Bullshit - pure and simple. In Britain. To date, it's not that way in America.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #67 March 2, 2009 with regards to being world police- i agree, it isnt fair for us to be that guy, but somehow we are always called upon to do the dirty work. After the mess we got into (think blackhawk down) in Somalia, Clinton became gun shy and didn't want a repeat for political reasons- unpopularity, politicians doing what they do best, staying elected. Then in '94 little Rwanda (beautiful country btw) has a full blown genocide but clinton and the UN refuse to use the term genocide, which would trigger our immediate intervention. In fact, they pulled 90% of the UN troops out as they watched the country literally decimate itself- over 1/10 of the population was murdered. Our troops werent being engaged so we didn't do anything- rules of engagement. Because of that, over 1 million rwandans are dead, the country had the worst economy in the world immediately following, and there are still interahamwe (the killers) testing the border at congo where they live in exile. Now Clinton obviously views that as a huge mistake and dedicates quite a bit of his efforts over there... anyway, point being when we don't step in as world police everyone hates us for not (currently south Sudan), when we do step in everyone hates us if we dont fix it in 6 months or less (iraq, afghanistan, vietnam to a certain degree) because we then become "that evil occupying force." This is the first century with which wars of morality have occurred due to the information explosion, and no one knows what the right decision is- to act or not to act. edit: this is because the question is raised, is the collateral damage- the civilians caught in the middle, infrastructure destroyed, more instability- worth the intervention? those who oppose our involvement use those pictures as evidence of the evil empire, the others point to the people that now have freedom again, or life as close to what they previously knew as possible.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #68 March 2, 2009 Quote with regards to being world police- i agree, it isnt fair for us to be that guy, but somehow we are always called upon to do the dirty work. The USA was not called upon to invad Iraq, that was a resonal agenda and a way to secure 10% of the worlds oil production. Quote Then in '94 little Rwanda (beautiful country btw) has a full blown genocide but clinton and the UN refuse to use the term genocide, which would trigger our immediate intervention. In fact, they pulled 90% of the UN troops out as they watched the country literally decimate itself- over 1/10 of the population was murdered. Rwanda would not have take the same amount of enegy as Iraq, politically it would have been a good thing to do to go in there, that was the dems so not really a good example. Yes it is a beautiful country, I so want to go there next time I am in the regon. before all the gorilla are gone"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #69 March 2, 2009 I'm not a huge proponent of the iraq situation, but just making a point. and um, yeah it was the dems that opted NOT to go in there and stop it. The place is a mess. Recovering finally but still a mess. My point was im not a fan of being world police but it is necessary and always a catch 22 situation- people b*tch if you don't go in, people b*tch when you do go in. Policy doesn't work with guerillas, look at all the efforts over the years with the FARC in columbia. Force does, but people don't like to see the devastation so then they start crying to stop after they had just been crying we werent helping to begin with. Yeah it is really sad about the gorillas. I didn't have enough $$$ in my budget while hitting east africa to do the gorillas, I'm hoping to get it done in the next couple years though along with Kilimanjaro. Was $400 a few years ago, i think it is higher now. kayak.com is great for airfare abroad.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #70 March 2, 2009 my attitude is pull all US money and aid to those that "don't like us" and wait, then we will see a change in attitudes toward us. everyone wants our money and aid but hates us, well it is the way we are that creates the money and aid that they receive. they can't have it both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #71 March 3, 2009 QuoteThey are experts at gaining votes; not business, science, or the environment. Generally the right involves themselves with the least amount of our lives, so they are the lesser of two evils. I've had the opposite experience. It has been the right, not the left, that tends to interfere more in the lives of individuals. Quotego hang out at the DMV... I long for the day when the private property management company of my apartment complex implements a rent payment method that allows me to pay my rent in less time than it takes me to renew my automobile's tags (which takes all of two minutes, ten if I do it in person). QuoteMe: minimal taxes minimal government strong military Pro choice pro legalizing the ganj (i dont even smoke) Pro stem cell dont care one way or the other on gay marriage so let em get married! Me: •A pay as you go tax rate, plus ten percent (of the tax, not the income) to save/invest for large emergency expenditures and to reduce the future tax burden of citizens. •A government sufficiently large to meet the needs of citizens, not too small, not too big, as neither would be effective. •Armed citizenry and a drastically downsized military. •Anti-drug prohibition •Pro embryonic stem cell research •Anti-bigotry (e.g. against ban on same sex marriage) QuoteAgain, I hate all politicians equally, so the less they are in charge of the less damage they can do! The same could be said of blondes, men, brown eyed people, deaf people, heterosexuals, Yale graduates, or any other demographic one wants to consider. In a democracy/representative republic, politicians are no less capable than other individual members of the the populace, unless the voters fail. If the people elect a chronic failure to the White House, it should come as no surprise when that elected official screws up everything he touches for the entirety of his eight years in office. If you think you can do a better job, fulfill your civic duty and run for office.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #72 March 3, 2009 QuoteQuote Bullshit - pure and simple. In Britain. To date, it's not that way in America. It is that way, and it has been that way for about 35 years. I originally posted about it here. The UK is the only place in western Europe that has lower economic mobility than the US, and only very slightly so. Worker productivity and worker income used to grow at about the same rate, but since about 1974 income increases have fallen short of productivity increases. Since 2000, the problem has been significantly worse. Direct link to SourceMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #73 March 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Bullshit - pure and simple. In Britain. To date, it's not that way in America. It is that way, and it has been that way for about 35 years. I originally posted about it here. The UK is the only place in western Europe that has lower economic mobility than the US, and only very slightly so. Worker productivity and worker income used to grow at about the same rate, but since about 1974 income increases have fallen short of productivity increases. Since 2000, the problem has been significantly worse. Direct link to Source It used to be simple economics: Supply and demand. Now with a set minimum wage, companies really don't compete for unskilled labor as capitalism is hamstringed. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #74 March 3, 2009 I own a small C.N.C. Machine shop ( one man shop),and the only stimulus i am feeling, Is to go out of business and live off the free entitlements that he is promising.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #75 March 3, 2009 Quote You sure have some sick sense of humour. Sir, I have been told worse by better than you. And although my humor may be called into question, I would rather sleep at night knowing that I may be slightly defective in that department than to awake being as judgmental as you seem to be. Seeing an issue in a single tone is easy, learning to look at it as gray takes effort. America actions are not always correct. Never have been, never will be. Name a country that is. Perhaps your incorrect America could have been invaded and destroyed by “correct thinking” countries…..but I doubt it. As for the "American world police force" as other posters have stated we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. I favor your position (I think) we should get out of world affairs. Let the UN handle it.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
