I have to say I am surprised that either of these made the light of day/tv/print

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

and this

STUDENTS QUESTION OBAMA'S PLAN
Thu Feb 19 2009 09:46:55 ET

EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE
Tim Hacker

A Dobson High School Advanced Placement government class with strong opinions about Barack Obama watched the president's speech Wednesday on a small, grainy TV in the corner of their classroom.

Some of the students attentively watched the speech, giving questioning looks and comments, shaking their heads and laughing at some of Obama's words. Other students listened, occasion ally glancing up to watch, while texting on their cell phones, reading a book or finishing school work.

The gymnasium's events were shown simultaneously in rooms throughout the Mesa school, and teachers were given discretion on whether to show the speech, the students said. The students in the class were hopeful things will work out but questioned whether Obama's plan would actually work to dig the country out of its economic woes. They also expected a longer speech.

Senior Syna Daudfar took some notes during the speech and was among the most vocally opposed to Obama's words.

At one point, when he talked about the costs of his stimulus plan, senior Maaike Albach and Daudfar looked at each other and said, "uh-oh."

"Overall I think it's a good idea, but he's not addressing the issues of the economic crisis," said Daudfar, a John McCain supporter who added he leans more toward being a moderate conservative. "The spending bill he just passed is just progressing the Democratic agenda rather than addressing the economic issues in the country."

Daudfar thinks Obama's plan is backward and deals with the "less important stuff" first. "Bailing out businesses" and "providing better regulatory systems for giving out money to businesses" should have been first, he said.

"If businesses can't afford to hire people, then people won't be able to work and pay off their mortgages," he said. "It's kind of like putting money into20a funnel." Albach, who is also a Republican, said Obama's plan sounds good but questioned how Obama can want to rely on "people's responsibility" when that is "what got us in this economic crisis in the first place."

"This puts us more into debt," said Albach, 18. "It's a horrible situation we're in."

Senior Brandon Miller wore a shirt with the words, "Hitler gave great speeches, too" above a picture of Obama.

Miller said he had been an Obama supporter "because of his speeches," but after debating the issues in this class and looking more into Obama's policies, his vote was swayed toward McCain.

He showed a video on his camera he had just taken of the president's minutelong motorcade and talked about what a "great experience" it was to watch it. Miller had also spent a couple of hours in front of the school, hanging out and watching the protesters.

"Even though I don't support him, I think it's cool he's here," said Miller, 18. "I just don't believe all the things he's telling us. His goal is just too big and broad."

Miller wanted to hear more about the costs and guidelines the stimulus bill entails.

Senior Katelyn Meyer, who also leans more toward being a Republican, said Obama's plan sounds good, "but it's easier said than done."

"I like the refinancing part, and I like the part about mortgages, but I'm afraid we're going to put the money in but won't s ee any effect," said Meyer, 18, who still thought it was "cool" to say the president was at her school, even though she didn't get to see him live.

The students also questioned why Obama chose their school for his speech since he wasn't talking about education and wondered how much money the district spent on beautifying the campus while district positions and services are being cut.

District officials noted this week that the landscaping project completed over the weekend at Dobson was already in the works and was just expedited by the president's visit. Funding came from voter-approved bonds.

New sod was laid in front of the school Tuesday, and Daudfar said, "The joke at the school is they're going to take it away when he (Obama) leaves."

AP government teacher Jeff Sherrer said his students "feel very strongly about the issues, maybe more than the general population." He thought at least one of his students was outside protesting, and he had planned to take his students outside as a class project to show them what was going on but didn't get the chance.

"These kinds of kids really get into it," Sherrer said. "During the election we had lots of debates on the issues."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So much for the right wing theories about the "liberal media" filtering out such stories.

The folks who are famous for suppressing dissent are, the REPUBLICANS. You know, the inventors of "free speech zones" for public protestors when shrub was to appear?
You know, the ones who required loyalty oaths from those who wanted to attend an appearance by shrub?
You know, the ones who were going to change the rules in the Senate to prevent filibustering by the Democrats, when the Republicans had the majority in the Senate? The Nuclear option. The same obstructionist technique that was so EVIL when the Dems were going to use it is just DUCKY when the rescums use it a RECORD number of times to block everything.

Hypocritical dirtbags, the way I see it. Those that support them are one and the same. America haters, through and through.

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One time does not a trend make



By the way, how many places have you seen the protestors protest Obama in Denver?

Hell, Sheehan and 4 people camp out in TX and it is nightly news

Right wing my ass



I see the Republicans are talking about killing free speach with the fairness doctrine!

I see that Obama is going to let the wire tap power go! NOT



Name calling and emotion

Fun stuff

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This one did NOT make any of the big media outlets now did it?

More than 500 protest Obama's arrival

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/135640

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

And this is kind of fun from the most open President in History! That same person that voiced condemnation of Bush actions!

It has got to be getting harder to be a Democrat these days.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/12/state_secrets/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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One time does not a trend make

Looks trendy to me

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One time does not a trend make

Looks trendy to me

And you call cable news the main stream?

I know you know better than that.

But, in one context you support my point.

ABC, NBC, CBS,,NPR, CNN and MSNBC (the main mainstream group) do not/will not usually carry much for interviews with those they do not agree with. To that same point, conservatives will not acept the invites much the same way the Dems will not acept interviews with FOX or Hamity.

Trendy? no, but an interesting point of view.

On the other hand, this site is very open minded and balanced too, right?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Oddly enough, the media did NOT report on discussions in hundreds of thousands of other high school classes. It's a cover-up dammit!

Blues,
Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

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My father was a journalist since the 50s, and then a professor of journalism (and did a lot of freelance writing) at Boston University. He says that actually, most news editors are in fact, pretty conservative & republican, although many of the reporters may be democrats.

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Which decade did he retire?

www.FourWheelerHB.com

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this is deep stuff here...local Arizona paper interviews high school students in the suburb and surprise, they favor local boy McCain!

So are you going to dig further than further to make a daily post?

[SpeedRacer 1]

He retired from teaching in the late 90s, but still continues to write.

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this is deep stuff here...local Arizona paper interviews high school students in the suburb and surprise, they favor local boy McCain!

So are you going to dig further than further to make a daily post?

At least I look around and see what is out there. More than you can say?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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From what I've seen in Colorado, I agree that the stimulus package seems to be pushing a democratic agenda. Colorado will get about 2.8 billion of the 787. While signing it here in Denver, about one mile from my house, there were speeches about how renewable energy was the cornerstone of the package, and that it pushed jobs.

The Denver Daily News reports that out of the 2.8 billion, about half of that (1.4 billion) is going towards education, and only 50 million is going to renewable energy. That doesn't seem to be in-line with the speeches. Of course, I recall that Obama's main focus was keeping and creating jobs, so that may be the reason so much Colorado money is going toward education. And personally, I think education is one of the best uses of government money. But if only 50 million is going to renewable energy, and 180 million is going toward food banks, and 800 million going to Medicaid, then the Dems shouldn't stand up and stump about how renewable energy is the cornerstone of this stimulus bill.

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