They Lie and Are Afraid

[rushmc 23]

Why?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30697

SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday
by Connie Hair

02/12/2009


In a press conference Thursday, the House Republican leadership spoke candidly about being kept out of the House-Senate conference on the Obama-Pelosi-Reid so-called “economic stimulus” bill. They confirmed they had not yet seen the text of the bill as of 4 p.m.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he was unsure how many Democrats would vote with Republicans again on this bill but that he thought Republicans “may get a few” Democrats to side with them. The fact that the Demos have now broken their promise to have the public able to see the bill for 48 hours may drive more Dems into the Republican camp.

“[I] don’t know, ‘cause they haven’t seen the bill either,” Boehner said.


“The American people have a right to know what’s in this bill,” Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind) told HUMAN EVENTS after the press conference. “Every member of Congress -- Republicans and Democrats -- voted to post this bill on the internet for 48 hours, 48 hours ago. We’ll see if the Democrats keep their word.”

Actually -- as of 5:15 pm, the Democrats had broken their word. The stimulus bill -- which we still haven’t seen -- will be released late tonight and will be brought up on the House floor at 9 am tomorrow.

The following statement was released by Majority Leader Steny Hoyer at 4:57 p.m.:

"The House is scheduled to meet at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow and is expected to proceed directly to consideration of the American Recovery and Reinvestment conference report. The conference report text will be filed this evening, giving members enough time to review the conference report before voting on it tomorrow afternoon."

Meanwhile, at an earlier presser Thursday, Pelosi -- while talking about legislation regarding school construction funds -- said it was vital to see the language of a bill before making decisions. ReadtheStimulus.org had the following quote:

“With all of this you have to see the language. You said this --- I said that --- I understood it to be this way --- you know, we wanted to see it in writing and when we did that then we were able to go forward."

"Around here language means a lot. Words weigh a ton and one person's understanding of a spoken description might vary from another's. We wanted to see it. And not only just I had to see it, I had to show it to my colleagues and my caucus. We wanted to take all the time that was necessary to make sure it was right."

Congressional members are also exchanging barbs via the popular social network Twitter. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) twittered, "Don't know when we're going to vote. Will the no votes delay vote just because they can? Speed is important. They know that."

House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) twittered back, “Those in favor of speed over commonsense may just be afraid of letting the People know what they are ramming through.”

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Why?

Good question. Why do people post a link to an article, and then copy & paste the entire contents? One or the other is sufficient.


If, on the other hand, you are asking why the politicians are doing this, it is because they are politicians. It is in their DNA. They can't not lie.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[Amazon 7]

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Might I suggest Limbaugh Cheese with that...

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Why do people post a link to an article, and then copy & paste the entire contents? One or the other is sufficient.

Its proper neticate to do both. It saves further click throughs. It also prevents further server load on the other site's equipment.

In regards to the OP: its politics as usual. The only change that happened are names and a couple of general issue beliefs (at least publicly). The rest will always happen, regardless if you run as a Democrat, a Republican, a Whig or even an Anti-Masonic.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Why?

Good question. Why do people post a link to an article, and then copy & paste the entire contents? One or the other is sufficient.


If, on the other hand, you are asking why the politicians are doing this, it is because they are politicians. It is in their DNA. They can't not lie.

Why do people get all snarky ?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Might I suggest Limbaugh Cheese with that...

You should not play with sharp things and you will not have to cry like that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AggieDave 6]

Also, did you notice that Dianne Feinsten (D) is trying to enter text into the stimulus bill that would end Net Neutrality?

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1984

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By Alex Curtis on February 10, 2009 - 12:10pm
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We just sent out an Action Alert to let you know about a proposed amendment to the stimulus package. This amendment, put forth by Sen. Feinstein, would allow ISPs to “deter” child pornography and copyright infringement through network management techniques. The amendment is very, very controversial for a couple of reasons:

1.

Infringement can’t be found through “network management” techniques. There are legal uses for copyrighted works even without permission of the owner.
2.

It would require Internet companies to examine every bit of information everyone puts on the Web in order to find those allegedly infringing works, without a hint of probable cause. That would be a massive invasion of privacy, done at the request of one industry, violating the rights of everyone who is online.

Please click here to fax or call five key Senators and tell them that this provision is a bad idea.

Although we have evidence that this was filed as an amendment, it is possible that the provision has already made its way into a the bill (we’re still checking). If it is not in the bill, it’s possible that it could be snuck-in in the closed-door non-transparent conference where the differences between the Senate and the House bills are hammered out.

So our work may not be done with this alert, we may need you to reach out again when the bill goes to conference. Stay tuned (and you can stay informed with our action alerts by signing up on our front page).
From what I can see (not so
Submitted by mgardiner on February 10, 2009 - 3:03pm.

From what I can see (not so familiar with navigating the Library of Congress), Feinstein’s amendment appears to be attached to an Inouye amendment 98, which has been withdrawn. Does this mean that it’s no longer being considered, or just gone for a rewrite?

[111st] S.AMDT.98 to H.R.1 In the nature of a substitute. Sponsor: Sen Inouye, Daniel K. [HI] (introduced 1/30/2009) Cosponsors (1) Latest Major Action: 2/7/2009 Proposed amendment SA 98 withdrawn in Senate.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[rushmc 23]

I really like the different standards. The Dems hold the R's to theirs. The R's (or the media) dont hold the Dems to theirs but, in order to do so one would need to HAVE standards to begin with



Sorry, just couldn't help myself

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AggieDave 6]

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I really like the different standards

I agree. Sort of like the thing this week about Obama having pre-picked people in the press-corps that are allowed to ask him questions. Anyone not on the pre-picked list are not allowed to ask questions.

If Reagan, HW Bush or W Bush would have been that blatant about censoring the press-corps, there would have been hell raised.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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I really like the different standards

I agree. Sort of like the thing this week about Obama having pre-picked people in the press-corps that are allowed to ask him questions. Anyone not on the pre-picked list are not allowed to ask questions.

If Reagan, HW Bush or W Bush would have been that blatant about censoring the press-corps, there would have been hell raised.

Ya

I dont mind calling out either side on their shit. I will also back either side when I think they are correct.

the left is the left and that is all there is with them.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I really like the different standards. The Dems hold the R's to theirs. The R's (or the media) dont hold the Dems to theirs but, in order to do so one would need to HAVE standards to begin with



Sorry, just couldn't help myself

Interesting ability you have to completly miss the conduct of your rePUBICan rubber stampers for..... how many years was that????

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I really like the different standards

I agree. Sort of like the thing this week about Obama having pre-picked people in the press-corps that are allowed to ask him questions. Anyone not on the pre-picked list are not allowed to ask questions.

If Reagan, HW Bush or W Bush would have been that blatant about censoring the press-corps, there would have been hell raised.

Hmmmm anyone ever heard the name Jeff Gannon?????

You know that interesting gay hooker... Mr Guckert.. that got White House Press credenttials????

Yeah he asked some HARD HITTING Journalistic homeruns.. for sure... for Talon News.

Wasn't he from Texas ????

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Wasn't he from Texas ????

Probably. You know the saying, "steers and queers..."

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Why do people post a link to an article, and then copy & paste the entire contents? One or the other is sufficient.

Its proper neticate to do both. It saves further click throughs. It also prevents further server load on the other site's equipment.

Proper netiquette (and copyright law) is to post only the leading paragraphs or some other form of Fair Use, not the entire contents. You're not saving server load, you're denying them any revenue from their content.

ADD: I'm most bothered by those who post a link (or worse, a yohootube video), and nothing to explain it.

[rushmc 23]

"The Spotted Owl has a 42" wing span."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Coal plants have some of the largest phallic symbols in the industiralized world..

[rushmc 23]

"You must declare that statement a mis-trial"

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gene03 0]

Mark,
What is this "standards" thing you speak of?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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Mark,
What is this "standards" thing you speak of?

When it comes to those in Washington, we can only guess. And I dont care what side we speak of

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Why?

Because they realize that the longer that people have time to look at this bill, the more they realize it's a bad idea. So they have to withhold details as much as possible, while at the same time trying to rush its passage. Strike while the iron is hot. Or else hand Obama a defeat on his very first attempt to do something - and that is unthinkable!

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Why?

Because they realize that the longer that people have time to look at this bill, the more they realize it's a bad idea. So they have to withhold details as much as possible, while at the same time trying to rush its passage. Strike while the iron is hot. Or else hand Obama a defeat on his very first attempt to do something - and that is unthinkable!

So much for the most transparent admin we have ever seen

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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they are politicians. It is in their DNA. They can't not lie.

Ah. An oft-repeated, broad-brush cliche' (like mom and apple pie). Which leads to this query: Then who, in a democratic republic, would you propose do the governing?

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who ... will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man." - Samuel Adams

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Its proper neticate to do both. It saves further click throughs. It also prevents further server load on the other site's equipment.

Then leave out the clicky. There is nothing there that isn't in the post, 'cept maybe a couple advertisements.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[rushmc 23]

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Its proper neticate to do both. It saves further click throughs. It also prevents further server load on the other site's equipment.

Then leave out the clicky. There is nothing there that isn't in the post, 'cept maybe a couple advertisements.

Pretty minor thing to get your shorts in a knot dont you think?

I have a reason when I do it but since you got it figured out already the it would be a waste of time posting it. Maybe I can find a link

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln