rushmc 23 #76 February 13, 2009 From who?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #77 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteGee scinece has allowed for much of the things we have in life... if you have so much faith... how about jumping out of an )And many of people that have TRUSTED that science have died because of its flaws. Airplanes (product of science)...FAIL, parachutes (product of science.....FAIL. My faith is that I know enough that science (people based) is not perfect and always right. You appear to have a complete misunderstanding of the difference between science and technology.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #78 February 13, 2009 QuoteEvolutionary theory is more dogma than science. People are told its a proven fact and not to question it. Why not question it if its a proven fact.....because its not a proven fact and does not actually follow the rules of science.t. Incorrect. Another myth about evolution put about by people with no knowledge of science.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #79 February 13, 2009 QuoteSaying there is no God is a much of a religion as saying there is one. No it isn't. That is a really silly statement.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #80 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteSaying there is no God is a much of a religion as saying there is one. No it isn't. That is a really silly statement. No, you are wrong and in saying what you say here you help prove my point."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #81 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteSaying there is no God is a much of a religion as saying there is one. No it isn't. That is a really silly statement. No, you are wrong and in saying what you say here you help prove my point. You may choose to have your own definition of religion, but the generally accepted definition involves belief in a supernatural power. wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=religionIf you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #82 February 13, 2009 You know that there was a monkey mother talking to her daughter and saying, "You know that your father and I tried to fix you up with that nice Neanderthal boy with a nice cave, but did you listen?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #83 February 13, 2009 QuoteYou appear to have a complete misunderstanding of the difference between science and technology.The funny thing about appearances is that they are not always reality.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #84 February 13, 2009 QuoteI really dont care if I am correct or not. For me that is the saddest, most pitiful thing there is. Nothing commands less respect than an unwillingness to learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmkellett 0 #85 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteI really dont care if I am correct or not. For me that is the saddest, most pitiful thing there is. Nothing commands less respect than an unwillingness to learn. EXACTLY. Just coast along through life not willing to open your eyes to the brainwashing that you have been subjected to as a child. It's a form of self abuse. and sad too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #86 February 13, 2009 1,000 clergy: God, science & Darwin can co-exist: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100597574 ***Darwin Finds Some Followers In The Pulpits by Barbara Bradley Hagerty Henry Green is a rarity among Southern Baptists. The pastor of Heritage Baptist church in Annapolis, Md., is openly skeptical that the Bible is the literal word of God, that the Earth was created in a few thousand years, and that Adam and Eve were created from dirt. He says that for too long, conservatives have tried to reconcile faith and science by throwing out science. This weekend, nearly 1,000 clerics worldwide will proclaim their belief that science and religion can coexist as they celebrate the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin during events on what has become known as Evolution Weekend. Believing In God And Science "Fundamentalists want to take people away from real science and put on some sort of bogus discussion about intelligent design or creationism," Green says. "Well, guess what? I believe God created. But I just happen to believe that the scientists have it right in understanding that creation." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #87 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteI really dont care if I am correct or not. For me that is the saddest, most pitiful thing there is. Nothing commands less respect than an unwillingness to learn. Yes this is true. But also ignoring the context of a comment to insult is a disgusting tactic! Tell me sir, which is sadder, you attempting to insult me, or the real fact that you insulted yourself?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #88 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI really dont care if I am correct or not. For me that is the saddest, most pitiful thing there is. Nothing commands less respect than an unwillingness to learn. Yes this is true. But also ignoring the context of a comment to insult is a disgusting tactic! Tell me sir, which is sadder, you attempting to insult me, or the real fact that you insulted yourself? I'm sorry if you feel insulted, that was not my intent. But as a general comment, I think that an unwillingness to learn is pitiful in any context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #89 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI really dont care if I am correct or not. For me that is the saddest, most pitiful thing there is. Nothing commands less respect than an unwillingness to learn. Yes this is true. But also ignoring the context of a comment to insult is a disgusting tactic! Tell me sir, which is sadder, you attempting to insult me, or the real fact that you insulted yourself? I'm sorry if you feel insulted, that was not my intent. But as a general comment, I think that an unwillingness to learn is pitiful in any context. I better understand your point. Thank you. But in general, I feel my point stands. Why is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. You can point out things in science that you say support your claim there is no God. In the end, why waste the energy. Until one goes to an extreme there really is no danger or damage. (and I know there are extremes on both sides) So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? The only thing I think is provable today it that those who vehemently opposed that there may be a God do not wish to be held responsible for their actions. They wish to blame society instead of themselves. That, where true, is where thing are really sad."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #90 February 13, 2009 Quote Why is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. Fire? Flight? Wireless internet? There were points in human development when each of these would have been perceived as miraculous. How feeble minded will our generation be perceived as in 100 or 1000 years? The nature of a creator may not be "provable" with the knowledge we've acquired at this point. But we're also not at the apex of human development (boy, is THAT an understatement). Who knows, maybe understanding "God" IS the apex of human development. I think that science could be the path to that apex. I think some in the religious community wish to use faith as a short cut. Quote So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? Perhaps a few have been changed, if only by a small margin. Many, probably not. But regardless of the outcome of the debate (so far) the act of debating has merit. It may be only one tiny step towards understanding through the exploration and exchange of ideas. But think of where we'd be if we abandoned these exercises. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #91 February 13, 2009 Quote Quote Why is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. Fire? Flight? Wireless internet? There were points in human development when each of these would have been perceived as miraculous. How feeble minded will our generation be perceived as in 100 or 1000 years? The nature of a creator may not be "provable" with the knowledge we've acquired at this point. But we're also not at the apex of human development (boy, is THAT an understatement). Who knows, maybe understanding "God" IS the apex of human development. I think that science could be the path to that apex. I think some in the religious community wish to use faith as a short cut. Quote So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? Perhaps a few have been changed, if only by a small margin. Many, probably not. But regardless of the outcome of the debate (so far) the act of debating has merit. It may be only one tiny step towards understanding through the exploration and exchange of ideas. But think of where we'd be if we abandoned these exercises. You are correct when you say the act of the debate does have its merits but, when that debate is interjected with emotional response, claims and counter claims, the act becomes pointless. And when a religion, where that religion is about God or something else, is debated, emotion becomes the dominate factor in said debate. Once that happens the act itself becomes pointless. That is why, most of the time, I choose to stay out of those type exchanges. Because if you are drawn in at an emotional level, then religion, not an intellectual exchange, is all you have and the effort becomes pointless (IMO)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #92 February 13, 2009 Quote You are correct when you say the act of the debate does have its merits but, when that debate is interjected with emotional response, claims and counter claims, the act becomes pointless. And when a religion, where that religion is about God or something else, is debated, emotion becomes the dominate factor in said debate. Once that happens the act itself becomes pointless. That is why, most of the time, I choose to stay out of those type exchanges. Because if you are drawn in at an emotional level, then religion, not an intellectual exchange, is all you have and the effort becomes pointless (IMO) This is what Speaker's Corner is all about. Of course there are going to be flashes of extreme emotion. But the art of the dialog is in the ability to temper those emotions and foster the exchange of ideas, not simply to vent extreme emotion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #93 February 13, 2009 QuoteWhy is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. You can point out things in science that you say support your claim there is no God. In the end, why waste the energy. Until one goes to an extreme there really is no danger or damage. (and I know there are extremes on both sides) So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? The only thing I think is provable today it that those who vehemently opposed that there may be a God do not wish to be held responsible for their actions. They wish to blame society instead of themselves. That, where true, is where thing are really sad. In context of the initial cited survey, the thread subject title, and the above quoted response, do you see evolutionary theory as threatening to the existence of God/disproving existence of God? If yes, why? /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #94 February 13, 2009 QuoteTheory - (1) A statement or set of statements designed to explain a phenomenon or class of phenomena. (2) A set of rules or principles designed for the study or practice of an art or discipline. (3) Abstract though untested in practice. (4) An assumption or guess. It is called Darwin's THEORY of Evolution, not his LAW of Evolution or did something change since I left school. It would appear that the case is not closed on this subject and requires additional study. Intelligent design is another THEORY and is the biblical explanation. a theory is a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena with as little exemptions as possible. olus itis proovable to all the people questioning evolution: it is happening right now. still. ornithologists on the galapagos islands just discovered that there is one species of darwin finches that develops different beaks. the bird with the smaller beaks do not breed with the birds havin smaller beaks - so in what was one species some thousands of years ago will be two separate kinds in the future.The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #95 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. You can point out things in science that you say support your claim there is no God. In the end, why waste the energy. Until one goes to an extreme there really is no danger or damage. (and I know there are extremes on both sides) So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? The only thing I think is provable today it that those who vehemently opposed that there may be a God do not wish to be held responsible for their actions. They wish to blame society instead of themselves. That, where true, is where thing are really sad. In context of the initial cited survey, the thread subject title, and the above quoted response, do you see evolutionary theory as threatening to the existence of God/disproving existence of God? If yes, why? /Marg No, I do not."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #96 February 13, 2009 QuoteThis is what Speaker's Corner is all about. Of course there are going to be flashes of extreme emotion. But the art of the dialog is in the ability to temper those emotions and foster the exchange of ideas, not simply to vent extreme emotion. That's really cute. {I hope so too, but it's certainly not even close right now} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #97 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. You can point out things in science that you say support your claim there is no God. In the end, why waste the energy. Until one goes to an extreme there really is no danger or damage. (and I know there are extremes on both sides) So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? The only thing I think is provable today it that those who vehemently opposed that there may be a God do not wish to be held responsible for their actions. They wish to blame society instead of themselves. That, where true, is where thing are really sad. In context of the initial cited survey, the thread subject title, and the above quoted response, do you see evolutionary theory as threatening to the existence of God/disproving existence of God? If yes, why? /Marg This is where Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Atheists stop making sense. God does not stop existing, or begin to exist, based on whether or not Evolution occurred. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #98 February 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy is it we feel we have to prove something to someone that is not provable? I cant prove there is a God but I can point out things I think could be God made miracles. You can point out things in science that you say support your claim there is no God. In the end, why waste the energy. Until one goes to an extreme there really is no danger or damage. (and I know there are extremes on both sides) So, I choose to not really care. I have been following these types of debates on this site since I joined in 03. Has anyone proven anything or changed a mind? The only thing I think is provable today it that those who vehemently opposed that there may be a God do not wish to be held responsible for their actions. They wish to blame society instead of themselves. That, where true, is where thing are really sad. In context of the initial cited survey, the thread subject title, and the above quoted response, do you see evolutionary theory as threatening to the existence of God/disproving existence of God? If yes, why? /Marg This is where Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Atheists stop making sense. God does not stop existing, or begin to exist, based on whether or not Evolution occurred. (I think that's her point.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #99 February 13, 2009 >Saying there is no God is a much of a religion as saying there is one. So a whuffo is as much a skydiver as anyone else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #100 February 13, 2009 Quote>Saying there is no God is a much of a religion as saying there is one. So a whuffo is as much a skydiver as anyone else? Hey - you wandered off, we're over here ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
