futuredivot 0 #1 February 11, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123431191461770685.html?mod=dist_smartbrief Fighting back against corporate flight bashingYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #2 February 11, 2009 Quotehttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB123431191461770685.html?mod=dist_smartbrief Fighting back against corporate flight bashing Unfortunately it will be very hard to counter the impression caused by the high visibility of corporate jets at major sporting events (Indy, Daytona, Superbowl), Aspen, Jackson Hole, Vegas, and other such. Hard for the corporations to argue in the face of obvious abuses by their execs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 February 12, 2009 The only thing obvious is your socialist postions. I feel sorry for those like you who spend thier lives pissed that someone has more than them. You could have it too, but then you might have to work. I guess it is easier if Obama just give you yours. Tell Spock high for me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #4 February 12, 2009 QuoteThe only thing obvious is your socialist postions. I feel sorry for those like you who spend thier lives pissed that someone has more than them. You could have it too, but then you might have to work. I guess it is easier if Obama just give you yours. Tell Spock high for me How does jetting about to sporting events or ski towns justify a corporation having a jet to improve its bottom line? The CEOs are just ripping off their stockholders when they do this.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 February 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe only thing obvious is your socialist postions. I feel sorry for those like you who spend thier lives pissed that someone has more than them. You could have it too, but then you might have to work. I guess it is easier if Obama just give you yours. Tell Spock high for me How does jetting about to sporting events or ski towns justify a corporation having a jet to improve its bottom line? The CEOs are just ripping off their stockholders when they do this. Look, I know you think the evil corps should give their money to you. But you still would not be happy cause somebody will still have more thatn you. Anybody making more money that you is bad. I understand that. I just dont agree with you."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,106 #6 February 12, 2009 Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #7 February 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe only thing obvious is your socialist postions. I feel sorry for those like you who spend thier lives pissed that someone has more than them. You could have it too, but then you might have to work. I guess it is easier if Obama just give you yours. Tell Spock high for me How does jetting about to sporting events or ski towns justify a corporation having a jet to improve its bottom line? The CEOs are just ripping off their stockholders when they do this. Look, I know you think the evil corps should give their money to you. But you still would not be happy cause somebody will still have more thatn you. Anybody making more money that you is bad. I understand that. I just dont agree with you. I believe I am well into the top 5%, and have been for at least 20 years. You? All I ask is that the super rich stop raping the country.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 February 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe only thing obvious is your socialist postions. I feel sorry for those like you who spend thier lives pissed that someone has more than them. You could have it too, but then you might have to work. I guess it is easier if Obama just give you yours. Tell Spock high for me How does jetting about to sporting events or ski towns justify a corporation having a jet to improve its bottom line? The CEOs are just ripping off their stockholders when they do this. Look, I know you think the evil corps should give their money to you. But you still would not be happy cause somebody will still have more thatn you. Anybody making more money that you is bad. I understand that. I just dont agree with you. I believe I am well into the top 5%, and have been for at least 20 years. You? All I ask is that the super rich stop raping the country. I am not any where close to the upper 5%. Congrats to you and I mean that. The super rich are not the problem. It is the congress making themselves the supre rich that is. there are bad apples in every group. I know there are bad CEO's But the congress has a barell full of rotten ones and a few good ones (very few)and those are trying to keep from rotting themselves. Perfect example are Dodd, Reid, Schumer, Mr Ethics and many of their friends"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #9 February 12, 2009 QuoteHow does jetting about to sporting events or ski towns justify a corporation having a jet to improve its bottom line? The CEOs are just ripping off their stockholders when they do this. Since you are in the top 5% you probably realize that each share of stock gets a vote for the board of directors, so if the management isn't making enough money for you, you can them. Most of us realize that corporate jets facilitate efficient travel for high talent individuals, and we don't envy the high roller image. Additionally, the corporate jet industry employs countless peeps and contributes to a robust economy. Interesting the other day that Oshit was terribly upset at the purchase of a Falcon and the next day said "spending is the point!" of stimulating the economy. I guess only government spending.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 February 12, 2009 Quote Most of us realize that corporate jets facilitate efficient travel for high talent individuals, and we don't envy the high roller image. Well except when the name on the manifest is named GORE.. then you bitch to high heavenNope.. no hypocrisy there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #11 February 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteHow does jetting about to sporting events or ski towns justify a corporation having a jet to improve its bottom line? The CEOs are just ripping off their stockholders when they do this. Most of us realize that corporate jets facilitate efficient travel for high talent individuals, and we don't envy the high roller image. Although subject to abuse, the freedom from the "efficient" routes and "reliable" schedules of the airlines are advantageous for a lot more than just "high talent" individuals. My father was a research chemist and he flew a chartered plane from Wisconsin over to Lower Michigan several times. Consider the time involved flying to Chicago, then Detroit, then the destination (taking an entire day) then 5 or six hours of actual business, then another day for the return trip. Or you spend 90 minutes in a light twin (Beech Baron) flying directly across Lake Michigan. Which is really cheaper?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 February 12, 2009 I can go along with the argument that private jets save time, but to buy a corporate jet that will spend almost all of it's time sitting on the ground is just irresponsible when there is a cheaper alternative that provides the same convenience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetJets"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 February 12, 2009 Quote Quote Most of us realize that corporate jets facilitate efficient travel for high talent individuals, and we don't envy the high roller image. Well except when the name on the manifest is named GORE.. then you bitch to high heavenNope.. no hypocrisy there When he's telling people how THEY need to cut back their carbon footprint while jetting around the world and using more electricity than several of his neighbors combined? Damn right it's hypocrisy - but not on the people calling Gore out on it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 February 12, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Most of us realize that corporate jets facilitate efficient travel for high talent individuals, and we don't envy the high roller image. Well except when the name on the manifest is named GORE.. then you bitch to high heavenNope.. no hypocrisy there When he's telling people how THEY need to cut back their carbon footprint while jetting around the world and using more electricity than several of his neighbors combined? Damn right it's hypocrisy - but not on the people calling Gore out on it. Could you read what you wrote..... and see it for what it is??? You can fool some of the people all of the time..and you can fool all of the people some of the time.. but you are one of the few I have ever seen anywhere that can fool yourself ALL of the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 February 12, 2009 Quote Could you read what you wrote..... and see it for what it is??? I know exactly what I wrote and what it is - exposing the hypocrisy of a man that tells OTHER people not to live the same type of lifestyle HE does. That *IS* hypocrisy - if you can't recognize that, maybe you need to take off the blinders. Quote You can fool some of the people all of the time..and you can fool all of the people some of the time.. but you are one of the few I have ever seen anywhere that can fool yourself ALL of the time Nice PA - appreciate it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 February 12, 2009 Quote Quote Could you read what you wrote..... and see it for what it is??? I know exactly what I wrote and what it is - exposing the hypocrisy of a man that tells OTHER people not to live the same type of lifestyle HE does. That *IS* hypocrisy - if you can't recognize that, maybe you need to take off the blinders. Quote You can fool some of the people all of the time..and you can fool all of the people some of the time.. but you are one of the few I have ever seen anywhere that can fool yourself ALL of the time Nice PA - appreciate it. OH OH... I stepped on a Mikee's last nerve .... hell I didn't even think that was a PA.... just an observation based on posting history about anything concerning Bush and GOP non-performance over a long period of time and undying support for ANYTHING they did If you construed it as a PA.. forgive me... sorry for the discouraging words... but you are not jumping anyway so cloudy skies are not that much of a problem over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #17 February 12, 2009 Quote Hard for the corporations to argue in the face of obvious abuses by their execs. Seriously the exception, not the rule. Spending $250K to entertain/conference with an $18 million account is effective use of corporate aircraft. You'd hate to see what I spend on much smaller accounts in much sleazier placesYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #18 February 12, 2009 QuoteCould you read what you wrote..... and see it for what it is??? You can fool some of the people all of the time..and you can fool all of the people some of the time.. but you are one of the few I have ever seen anywhere that can fool yourself ALL of the time Mike, this is the standard Amazon reply to an effective point. Gobbledygook. Doesn't try to refute your point, just babbles.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #19 February 12, 2009 I have spent 18 years at Beechcraft and its as bad as I have seen it. Good job Cessna. We are in the neighborhood of 2500 laid off so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #20 February 12, 2009 ...and the Pratt & Whitney Canada business jet group just laid off 1,000 workers. So much for stimulating economies. I wonder if 1,000 workers will blame the US Congress. Too bad. I seem to remember after the 2006 elections Nancy Pelosi berating the USAF for a larger jet aircraft for her to use commuting between DC and California. How is it okay for Nancy to run around the country on USAF jet aircraft on the taxpayers' dime but not okay for businesses to use aircraft. Why aren't the airlines good enough for her. I imagine a lot in congress are using military business-jet aircraft for personal travel besides Ms. Pelosi."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 February 12, 2009 Quote...I wonder if 1,000 workers will blame the US Congress. they're Canadians, they'll blame Bush ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #22 February 12, 2009 QuoteSo much for stimulating economies. You're so right. Its shamefull that Obama pork bill, which hasnt been signed into law yet, hasnt produced the kick to the economy it is designed to do! What kind of stimulus package thats so long to take effect, that, a whole -2 days before it becomes official, we're still seeing job cuts.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #23 February 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo much for stimulating economies. You're so right. Its shamefull that Obama pork bill, which hasnt been signed into law yet, hasnt produced the kick to the economy it is designed to do! What kind of stimulus package thats so long to take effect, that, a whole -2 days before it becomes official, we're still seeing job cuts. I agree with your overall point there, http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20090127/ts_usnews/cbomuchofstimulustohiteconomyby2010]but the underlined is funny to me. Part of the argument against the package is that it's not stimulus, it's a long term spending bill being puhed as immediately necessary. ------------------------------------ If a company, or a person, has the means to do so, what's the problem with owning a jet? I still haven't heard any semblance of a reasonable response. If I had the funds, there'd be two jets and a boat out back. If the shit storm of corporate jet bashing hadn't started, there might be a few thousand people still working. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #24 February 12, 2009 Just a WAG here, but, maybe the orders are getting cancelled BECAUSE people and corporations dont that the money for new ones anymore.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #25 February 12, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Most of us realize that corporate jets facilitate efficient travel for high talent individuals, and we don't envy the high roller image. Well except when the name on the manifest is named GORE.. then you bitch to high heavenNope.. no hypocrisy there When he's telling people how THEY need to cut back their carbon footprint while jetting around the world and using more electricity than several of his neighbors combined? Damn right it's hypocrisy - but not on the people calling Gore out on it. Easy on Gore...... he buys carbon credits to offset that "waste".... so what if it is from HIS carbon credit company..........Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
