TheAnvil 0 #26 February 9, 2009 You didn't fix anything, merely indicated you're not ready to talk economics and the spend-u-lus bill. You'd rather talk about something that's already occurred that you disagree with. Got it. Can't say as I blame you - the indefensible position you've taken would never be fun to discuss. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #27 February 9, 2009 Most humorous and interesting, Bill. I don't like DHS or TSA and think many conservatives feel the same way. I'm wondering why you think any conservative thinks the federal role in education should be expanded and how you could defend such an expansion. I'm also wondering how you equate billions for education with the current spend-u-lus abomination about to go up for a vote in the Senate. More intriguing would be why you think spending increases would result in an increase in education quality. You should know the NEA would never agree to holding anyone to a standard, unless it's their standard for their union (some of them voluntary members, others not) members paying their dues on time. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #28 February 9, 2009 Quote >-If the "Bridge to nowhere" is pork, then highways are pork also. Sorry, I should have specified "highways that actually go somewhere." The "Bridge to Nowhere" would have brought money to a town with a depressed economy for a couple of years and gave them 24 hour access to the airport. In a town that's main source of income is tourists this would have been a huge deal and could have brought new life to the area. What was the purpose of the "stimulus package" again? Oh, I forgot. $400 Million for birth control and the prevention of STD's. That's "stimulus" I can believe in."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #29 February 9, 2009 Quote The debt is the concern, not inflation. without some inflation the housing market (the root of all evil) is going to continue to tank. Nobody will buy houses if there is not some promise that the $$-value will increase over time. (Dec08 the rate was 0.09% down from 4.28% in Jan08 -- not a good thing for home values at all) Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #30 February 9, 2009 Quote Quote >-If the "Bridge to nowhere" is pork, then highways are pork also. Sorry, I should have specified "highways that actually go somewhere." The "Bridge to Nowhere" would have brought money to a town with a depressed economy for a couple of years and gave them 24 hour access to the airport. In a town that's main source of income is tourists this would have been a huge deal and could have brought new life to the area. What was the purpose of the "stimulus package" again? Oh, I forgot. $400 Million for birth control and the prevention of STD's. That's "stimulus" I can believe in. Prevention is generally far far cheaper than cure. Prevention is a very good investment for society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 February 9, 2009 Quote>Isn't it ironic how they've bitched and bitched about how President Bush >spent too much money . . . Personally I think it's hilarious that all the conservatives that supported the largest expansion in federal government in a century are now bitching and moaning that the debt is going to increase. It's even funnier to watch the people who had no problem whatsoever just plain misplacing billions of dollars in Iraq becoming aghast that we would have the gall to spend billions on education here in the US. Yep, so the message you're sending is that it's perfectly okay to spend a trillion dollars we don't have, as long as it's spent "my" way. Obama's promises of change in this regard are hollow. It's clear that he's going to continue to spend money we don't have, just as it has been done in the past. And the news stories are saying that even this trillion won't be enough, so even more trillions will be needed in the future. And therein lies the basic problem, which guarantees that government spending will continue to spiral out of control until the country is bankrupt. Because everyone thinks it's perfectly okay to spend trillions we don't have. I reject spending that kind of money by either side of the political equation. Spending a trillion dollars we don't have, regardless of who's doing it or where it's going, is wrong. Period. And I don't see many people promoting that viewpoint. And all you liberals who tried to claim the high moral ground on this issue by blasting Bush when he did it, are now showing your true unethical and hypocritical colors by supporting it when Obama does it. The only real moral high ground is like that message from the movie "War Games": The only way to win is not to play. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #32 February 9, 2009 Quote The debt is the concern, not inflation. Do you remember the 70's? inflation is a very real concern. Quotewithout some inflation the housing market (the root of all evil) is going to continue to tank. Nobody will buy houses if there is not some promise that the $$-value will increase over time. Maybe people will buy them to live in them rather than to get rich from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #33 February 9, 2009 QuoteYep, so the message you're sending is that it's perfectly okay to spend a trillion dollars we don't have, as long as it's spent "my" way. I don't think bill is saying that. I think Bill is merely pointing out that both of the major parties waste money and then bitch about iti when the other side does the same thing. The GOP likely has zero problem with fiscal responsibility when they are not in charge. When they've got the purse strings they'll empty it, sell the purse and use it as collateral. The Dems are the same way. This is why you find things like, "You had no problem with spending a trillion in Iraq." Here is one of my rules of politics: "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three hundred." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #34 February 9, 2009 >Yep, so the message you're sending is that it's perfectly okay to spend a >trillion dollars we don't have, as long as it's spent "my" way. Nope. The trillion dollar war was a mistake. This trillion dollar bailout is a mistake. I don't change my views on things when the D or the R behind the person's name changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 February 9, 2009 QuoteWhat was the purpose of the "stimulus package" again? Oh, I forgot. $400 Million for birth control and the prevention of STD's. That's "stimulus" I can believe in. Might just help you not father a child while you are out having fun.. and maybe even keep you from getting HIV from your lay of the week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 February 9, 2009 Quote>I don't change my views on things when the D or the R behind the person's name changes. no, but you sure spin it differently of course, that's what makes it fun ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #37 February 9, 2009 QuoteOn the whole I think spending $1Trillion on the US economy is a better deal for Americans than spending $1Trillion blowing up stuff and killing people in Iraq. Aint that the truth,"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #38 February 18, 2009 Quote Your side LOST the election - get over it. I see the stock market responded positively to the news of the bailaout. This statement gets funnier every day. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #39 February 18, 2009 Quote Prevention is generally far far cheaper than cure. Prevention is a very good investment for society. Polar ice breakers break ice. Amtrak takes people from one place to another. Abandoned cole mines are... abandoned. Explain how any one of those is so stimulative that it needs to immediately be passed or the country will fail. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #40 February 18, 2009 >Explain how any one of those is so stimulative that it needs to >immediately be passed or the country will fail. No one, anywhere, is claiming that. That would be the standard GOP strawman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #41 February 18, 2009 Quote>Explain how any one of those is so stimulative that it needs to >immediately be passed or the country will fail. No one, anywhere, is claiming that. That would be the standard GOP strawman. It's in the stimulus package. That would mean it's being sold as stimulus. President Obama is actually the one who said that, almost word for word. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
