chuckakers 426 #1 February 5, 2009 The uberlibs must be going nut over this http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-renditions_31jan31,0,2998929.story and they are just getting started http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5751:aclu-asks-secretary-of-state-clinton-to-clarify-us-policy-on-exposing-torture-and-rendition-&catid=88888933&Itemid=88889535Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #2 February 5, 2009 Good start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 February 5, 2009 QuoteThe uberlibs must be going nut over this http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-renditions_31jan31,0,2998929.story and they are just getting started http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5751:aclu-asks-secretary-of-state-clinton-to-clarify-us-policy-on-exposing-torture-and-rendition-&catid=88888933&Itemid=88889535 If you are not doing anything wrong.... what do you have to worry about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 February 5, 2009 Quote Quote The uberlibs must be going nut over this http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-renditions_31jan31,0,2998929.story and they are just getting started http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5751:aclu-asks-secretary-of-state-clinton-to-clarify-us-policy-on-exposing-torture-and-rendition-&catid=88888933&Itemid=88889535 If you are not doing anything wrong.... what do you have to worry about. Exactly!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #5 February 5, 2009 Quote Good start. Good start, my butt. President Obama didn't have to leave rendition in. He could have included killing it in the executive order without repercussion or even much of a mention in the press. After all, that's what everyone expected - based on his campaign promises. I suspect it's more likely a "quiet" decision spurred by some very eye opening security briefings. Reality sets in...and it ain't pretty.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #6 February 5, 2009 Quote I suspect it's more likely a "quiet" decision spurred by some very eye opening security briefings. Reality sets in...and it ain't pretty. Interesting speculative hypothesis. I suspect it's much less sensationalistic. Altho’ it’s not stated in the Chicago Tribune article, I strongly suspect the EO is White House Executive Order: Ensuring Lawful Interrogations. Section G states: “The terms ‘detention facilities’ and ‘detention facility’ in section 4(a) of this order do not refer to facilities used only to hold people on a short-term, transitory basis.” That is usually taken to refer to detention on the field of battle or in the course of military or covert operations. Now I wouldn't put it beyond a current-day Gust Avrakotos to interpret that as liberally as he (or she) might. Above that, the EO states: “Section 1. Revocation. Executive Order 13440 of July 20, 2007, is revoked. All executive directives, orders, and regulations inconsistent with this order, including but not limited to those issued to or by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) from September 11, 2001, to January 20, 2009, concerning detention or the interrogation of detained individuals, are revoked to the extent of their inconsistency with this order.[emphasis – nerdgirl] “Heads of departments and agencies shall take all necessary steps to ensure that all directives, orders, and regulations of their respective departments or agencies are consistent with this order. Upon request, the Attorney General shall provide guidance about which directives, orders, and regulations are inconsistent with this order.” Another Executive Order does exist related to rendition that would not be automatically overturned by the above EO: PDD-39, which dates back to 1995. Section 2 of PDD-39 addresses legal return (i.e., legal rendition not extraordinary rendition) of terrorist suspects to the U.S. “for prosecution.” For those nations w/which the US does not extradition agreements (“extraterritorial statutes”), PDD-39 directs State and DOJ to “work to resolve the problem, where possible and appropriate, through negotiation and conclusion of new extradition treaties.” PDD-39 continues: “If we do not receive adequate cooperation from a state that harbors a terrorist whose extradition we are seeking, we shall take appropriate measures to induce cooperation. Return of suspects by force may be effected without the cooperation of the host government, consistent with the procedures outlined in NSD-77, which shall remain in effect. (S).” As far as I am aware, even the title of NSD-77, which was produced during President George HW Bush’s administration, remains classified. If you have a FOIA’d link to a redacted version, I’d love to see it! (President Reagan also had a NSD-77 on unrelated subject.) What President Obama added, subtracted, or left unchanged in the PDD I don’t know … do you? /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 February 5, 2009 Quote I suspect it's more likely a "quiet" decision spurred by some very eye opening security briefings. Reality sets in...and it ain't pretty. There are no atheists in foxholes! I have no idea why I said that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #8 February 5, 2009 Quote There are no atheists in foxholes! Who said that, and how many Foxes did they ask?As for Gitmo's DetentionConcentration camp... How is is closing. I'm in favour of just opening the cages and releasing them into the wild... By opening the main gates and herding them into Cuba. I'd pay to watch that! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 February 5, 2009 What's good for the goose..... I looking forward to the time that Bush and his gang get smacked on the head, dumped on a plane and shipped of to a camp in some Middle Eastern desert.... now that would be fun to see on the news. What ever you do to theirs, they have every right to do to yours. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 February 5, 2009 >Good start, my butt. President Obama didn't have to leave rendition in. Correct. So it's not perfect - but it's a good start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #11 February 5, 2009 Quote What ever you do to theirs, they have every right to do to yours. So the terrorists are allowed to put water in our troops noses and make them wear undies on their heads?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 February 5, 2009 >So the terrorists are allowed to put water in our troops noses and make > them wear undies on their heads? Unfortunately, that logic would mean that they're "allowed" to rape them and beat them to death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 February 5, 2009 Quote Quote What ever you do to theirs, they have every right to do to yours. So the terrorists are allowed to put water in our troops noses and make them wear undies on their heads? If that's what 'you' are doing to them, of course - Perspective is a wonderful thing. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
