Conservative or Liberal

[BaronVonBoll 0]

so many people here are polarized as to being a conservative or liberal. If your one it seems you must hate the other. Personally I have mixed opinions on one side it may be conservative on the other liberal. I am going out on a limb here but I would be interested in your opinion as to my thoughts on subjects as to whether they are concervative or liberal!
Major issues.
1. Abortion.
My position. A person has the right to decide what to do with thier body. Thye time to decide is before engageing in sexual activities. Abortion should not be used as BIRTH CONTROL. In the cases of insest or rape were the woman had no control or choice fine by all means.

2. Religion.
Born and raised in a Quaker home, I am a Christian. That being said, I do not force my moral or religeous beliefes on anyone. My actions and lifestyle have often brought people to me to ask about it and Ill tell them my thoughts. I dont believe that any Religeous doctrine should be the foundation for government, However I don't want the government prohibiting me from expressing myself ( As in Saying Merry Christmas to someone in my kids school.
3. Taxes
If you want government you have to pay for it. street sweepers dont do it for the fun of it. Without government all desolves into Chaos. I do believe that each person should pay his or her fair shair. I also believe that The elected officials should be held extremely accountable to the public. If I pay fifty dollars to some one to fix a pipe I want the pipe fixed.
4. Size of government.
Trickie question.Government should be as big as it needs to be to get the job done. We dont need twenty men on a government payroll to shovel snow off the court house steps. government jobs to keep government moving and functional is good. Government jobs for the sake of creating jobs, Bad.
5. Unions
If people working for a company want to get together and all agree on a collective barganing agreement fine. More power to them. It will be up to the companies owners to accept or deny the plan. If it is finacially workable for the company and agreeable to the employees all is good. As for me, I know the value of my work. I dont want to be forced to work at a certain company or told I can only do this or that job. I like the variety of tasks I do and dont want to be constrained by Union rules. I hire myself out to the company I chose to work for on the basis of my skills and the wages and benefits they are willing to pay. If those change, Ill go to work somewhere else no hard feelings.
6. Welfare
I believe that almost everyone sometime needs a helping hand. it can be very difficult to pick oneself up sometimes. welfare should be just that a chance to get back on track not a lifestyle.
7. Immigration
If someone comes to this country looking for a better life, with the intent of obeying the laws and willing to put the effort in I say "WELCOME" Many of the people I work with are immagrants and a harder working group I have never seen. My company even provides legal assistance to help them keep thier paperwork in order. But if the laws are not followed or you just snuck in to get on the easy welfare plan My boot will be on your backside to get you back where you came from.
8. Raceism
If I am going to hire someone or ask a question I am going to the person I think best for the job. I dont care if someone is green If they can do it best Its them for the task period. I dont owe anyone anythiong because they have more or less melanin in thier skin.
9. Employment/minimum wage.
I have worked hard and studied hard to achieve a certain set of skills that is marketable almost anywhere. I know the value of my work and what I want in return for it. I dont believe I deserve as much as say a doctor. But I do believe i should get more for my labors than they guy who just sweeps the floor.If you raise the minimum wage to twenty five dollars an hour whats the point in trying to improve your set of skills and marketability when you will get paid the same as the guy who just wants to do as little as possible and go home. I take pride in the work I do and it is reflected in the quality of the products I produce. Thats where the wage differential lies.
10.War
There is no justice in war. Its a horrible thing. But, "When in the course of human events...." Whether its another country or the asshole in the bar oppressing tose who do not have the ability to defend themselves it is time for someone to stand up and say "NO MORE!" Not for profit not for political advantage but because it right.



Ok does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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so many people here are polarized as to being a conservative or liberal. If your one it seems you must hate the other. Personally I have mixed opinions on one side it may be conservative on the other liberal. I am going out on a limb here but I would be interested in your opinion as to my thoughts on subjects as to whether they are concervative or liberal!
Major issues.
1. Abortion.
My position. A person has the right to decide what to do with thier body. Thye time to decide is before engageing in sexual activities. Abortion should not be used as BIRTH CONTROL. In the cases of insest or rape were the woman had no control or choice fine by all means.

2. Religion.
Born and raised in a Quaker home, I am a Christian. That being said, I do not force my moral or religeous beliefes on anyone. My actions and lifestyle have often brought people to me to ask about it and Ill tell them my thoughts. I dont believe that any Religeous doctrine should be the foundation for government, However I don't want the government prohibiting me from expressing myself ( As in Saying Merry Christmas to someone in my kids school.
3. Taxes
If you want government you have to pay for it. street sweepers dont do it for the fun of it. Without government all desolves into Chaos. I do believe that each person should pay his or her fair shair. I also believe that The elected officials should be held extremely accountable to the public. If I pay fifty dollars to some one to fix a pipe I want the pipe fixed.
4. Size of government.
Trickie question.Government should be as big as it needs to be to get the job done. We dont need twenty men on a government payroll to shovel snow off the court house steps. government jobs to keep government moving and functional is good. Government jobs for the sake of creating jobs, Bad.
5. Unions
If people working for a company want to get together and all agree on a collective barganing agreement fine. More power to them. It will be up to the companies owners to accept or deny the plan. If it is finacially workable for the company and agreeable to the employees all is good. As for me, I know the value of my work. I dont want to be forced to work at a certain company or told I can only do this or that job. I like the variety of tasks I do and dont want to be constrained by Union rules. I hire myself out to the company I chose to work for on the basis of my skills and the wages and benefits they are willing to pay. If those change, Ill go to work somewhere else no hard feelings.
6. Welfare
I believe that almost everyone sometime needs a helping hand. it can be very difficult to pick oneself up sometimes. welfare should be just that a chance to get back on track not a lifestyle.
7. Immigration
If someone comes to this country looking for a better life, with the intent of obeying the laws and willing to put the effort in I say "WELCOME" Many of the people I work with are immagrants and a harder working group I have never seen. My company even provides legal assistance to help them keep thier paperwork in order. But if the laws are not followed or you just snuck in to get on the easy welfare plan My boot will be on your backside to get you back where you came from.
8. Raceism
If I am going to hire someone or ask a question I am going to the person I think best for the job. I dont care if someone is green If they can do it best Its them for the task period. I dont owe anyone anythiong because they have more or less melanin in thier skin.
9. Employment/minimum wage.
I have worked hard and studied hard to achieve a certain set of skills that is marketable almost anywhere. I know the value of my work and what I want in return for it. I dont believe I deserve as much as say a doctor. But I do believe i should get more for my labors than they guy who just sweeps the floor.If you raise the minimum wage to twenty five dollars an hour whats the point in trying to improve your set of skills and marketability when you will get paid the same as the guy who just wants to do as little as possible and go home. I take pride in the work I do and it is reflected in the quality of the products I produce. Thats where the wage differential lies.
10.War
There is no justice in war. Its a horrible thing. But, "When in the course of human events...." Whether its another country or the asshole in the bar oppressing tose who do not have the ability to defend themselves it is time for someone to stand up and say "NO MORE!" Not for profit not for political advantage but because it right.



Ok does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

The devil is in the details:
1. Do your believe the apparatus of state should be used to enforce your beliefs on abortion on those who do not share them?
If yes you are a conservative, if not, liberal.
2. Are you in favour of teachers being allowed to use my tax dollars to teach my kids about your myths?
If yes you are a conservative, if no, liberal.
3. This is a tricky one. Your statement on taxes is a motherhood/apple pie platitude. The question is how do we determine what each person's fair share is?
4. See above.
5. The majority of liberals do not work for unions nor are the majority of union members IMO liberals. However you sound conservative on the issue.
6. Sounds moderate-right to me.
7. Again you are stating motherhood platitudes acceptable to both sides. Got any recent immigrants in your circle of close friends? Juan who you hired to sweep the floor doesn't count.
8. We are all racists. It is all a matter of how you act upon it. For most people, we have gone beyond the "don't hire a darkie" stage. How many brown/black friends do you have? how many have been in your living room?
9. Sounds conservative to me.
10. So you choose the white man's burden over crass imperialism; Congratu-fucking-lations.

[Butters 0]

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Ok does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

It makes you a liberal and a conservative ... it's all about context.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[SpeedRacer 1]

It underscores the actual truth: Most people are not 100% one way or the other.

Now there will be hardliners on both sides cropping up that will excoriate people like that for not joining in lockstep agreement with one team or the other.

I think a lot of people would like to keep both teams at arms length.

Speed Racer
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[frequentfaller 0]

I think most people are middle of the road. They label themselves one way or the other because they feel strongley about 1 or 2 of the issues that the party supports. those 1 or 2 issues differ from person to person. Thats why our 2 party system sucks. even if you lable yourself dem or repub, you probably dont agree with most of your party.

now that the dems have president and majorities in house and senate, they'll try to push everything that each group in party is in favor of, even though majority of people wont like it. same thing the repubs did 8yrs ago.

then it starts over, or by that time, we'll be providence of china. cause we owe them too much $$

Born ok 1st time.

[alge 0]

Maybe one axis (conservative / liberal) is just not enough. Have you tried the political compass?

[wmw999 2,589]

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I think most people are middle of the road. They label themselves one way or the other because they feel strongley about 1 or 2 of the issues that the party supports

But the perception of where the middle of the road is varies from person to person, also. A lot of people over the last 8 years of conservatism in America who agree pretty much down the line with Rush Limbaugh (for example) say they're pretty middle of the road. And others who agree with Al Franken (as another example) say they're middle of the road.

Either there are multiple roads, or people only really see the segment of road they naturally stay on as the whole road.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 2]

You're a moderate.
Careful, the Libertarians will try to recruit you so they can eat your children.

[Amazon 7]

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You're a moderate.
Careful, the Libertarians will try to recruit you so they can eat your children.

Funny how many people around here CLAIM to be libertarian...yet only seem to support a radical right wing party line instead of any Libertarian positions..... the numbers just dont match up.. I think we have a lot of outright liars...I wonder why that is??

[mnealtx 0]

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You're a moderate.
Careful, the Libertarians will try to recruit you so they can eat your children.

Funny how many people around here CLAIM to be libertarian...yet only seem to support a radical right wing party line instead of any Libertarian positions..... the numbers just dont match up.. I think we have a lot of outright liars...I wonder why that is??

When you consider anyone to the right of Lenin as a 'radical right winger', the problem is your perception, not the other person.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Amazon 7]

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You're a moderate.
Careful, the Libertarians will try to recruit you so they can eat your children.

Funny how many people around here CLAIM to be libertarian...yet only seem to support a radical right wing party line instead of any Libertarian positions..... the numbers just dont match up.. I think we have a lot of outright liars...I wonder why that is??

When you consider anyone to the right of Lenin as a 'radical right winger', the problem is your perception, not the other person.

Uh we have seen plenty of posts over the last 6 years I have been on here.... that SCREAM otherwise.

[frequentfaller 0]

I agree that the road is wide as hell, so the middle has a right and left too.

I dont think anyone who agrees with rush down the line is middle, but a middle person might agree with something he or franken your other example says. truly a middle person could find something he agrees with from both.

Most people demonize the side they have not chosen. we need to think more independently. both sides or neither side, but i dont know how that would be done. there are very devisive issues that wont be compromised.

Born ok 1st time.

[BaronVonBoll 0]

Andy THATS FUNNY

[BaronVonBoll 0]

The question then becomes.... How do we "Middle roaders" get thing done when we have to chose between one extreeme or the other?

[rehmwa 2]

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The question then becomes.... How do we "Middle roaders" get thing done when we have to chose between one extreeme or the other?

Step One: Bitch impotently on any issue that isn't being done right, according to your beliefs

Step Two: Take all sorts of crap and stereotyped abuse from the "true believers" of both sides

Step Three: Bend over while the gov steals all your income and gives it to the "true believers" of both sides

Step Four: Lose all hope and joy and just ignore the process going forward

I hope that helps

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[frequentfaller 0]

I dont know.

- pray to god (who is actually an advanced alien kid playing a video game called earth) to hit reset button

- choose a side democruds or repukelicans and fling shit at other side.

- buy a nice tent, sleeping bag, 45, lots of ammo.

Born ok 1st time.

[Butters 0]

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Step One: Bitch impotently on any issue that isn't being done right, according to your beliefs

Step Two: Take all sorts of crap and stereotyped abuse from the "true believers" of both sides

Step Three: Bend over while the gov steals all your income and gives it to the "true believers" of both sides

Step Four: Lose all hope and joy and just ignore the process going forward

But ignorance is bliss which will lead to finding all hope and joy which will lead to restarting the cycle ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[Remster 30]

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The question then becomes.... How do we "Middle roaders" get thing done when we have to chose between one extreeme or the other?

Step One: Bitch impotently on any issue that isn't being done right, according to your beliefs

Step Two: Take all sorts of crap and stereotyped abuse from the "true believers" of both sides

Step Three: Bend over while the gov steals all your income and gives it to the "true believers" of both sides

Step Four: Lose all hope and joy and just ignore the process going forward

I hope that helps

If you guys really beleive that the US Democratic and Rebublican parties represent extremes, you need to get some perspective.

Remster

[livendive 8]

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You're a moderate.
Careful, the Libertarians will try to recruit you so they can eat your children.

Funny how many people around here CLAIM to be libertarian...yet only seem to support a radical right wing party line instead of any Libertarian positions..... the numbers just dont match up.. I think we have a lot of outright liars...I wonder why that is??

I'm not sure.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Channman 2]

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so many people here are polarized as to being a conservative or liberal. If your one it seems you must hate the other. Personally I have mixed opinions on one side it may be conservative on the other liberal. I am going out on a limb here but I would be interested in your opinion as to my thoughts on subjects as to whether they are concervative or liberal!
Major issues.
1. Abortion.
My position. A person has the right to decide what to do with thier body. Thye time to decide is before engageing in sexual activities. Abortion should not be used as BIRTH CONTROL. In the cases of insest or rape were the woman had no control or choice fine by all means.

2. Religion.
Born and raised in a Quaker home, I am a Christian. That being said, I do not force my moral or religeous beliefes on anyone. My actions and lifestyle have often brought people to me to ask about it and Ill tell them my thoughts. I dont believe that any Religeous doctrine should be the foundation for government, However I don't want the government prohibiting me from expressing myself ( As in Saying Merry Christmas to someone in my kids school.
3. Taxes
If you want government you have to pay for it. street sweepers dont do it for the fun of it. Without government all desolves into Chaos. I do believe that each person should pay his or her fair shair. I also believe that The elected officials should be held extremely accountable to the public. If I pay fifty dollars to some one to fix a pipe I want the pipe fixed.
4. Size of government.
Trickie question.Government should be as big as it needs to be to get the job done. We dont need twenty men on a government payroll to shovel snow off the court house steps. government jobs to keep government moving and functional is good. Government jobs for the sake of creating jobs, Bad.
5. Unions
If people working for a company want to get together and all agree on a collective barganing agreement fine. More power to them. It will be up to the companies owners to accept or deny the plan. If it is finacially workable for the company and agreeable to the employees all is good. As for me, I know the value of my work. I dont want to be forced to work at a certain company or told I can only do this or that job. I like the variety of tasks I do and dont want to be constrained by Union rules. I hire myself out to the company I chose to work for on the basis of my skills and the wages and benefits they are willing to pay. If those change, Ill go to work somewhere else no hard feelings.
6. Welfare
I believe that almost everyone sometime needs a helping hand. it can be very difficult to pick oneself up sometimes. welfare should be just that a chance to get back on track not a lifestyle.
7. Immigration
If someone comes to this country looking for a better life, with the intent of obeying the laws and willing to put the effort in I say "WELCOME" Many of the people I work with are immagrants and a harder working group I have never seen. My company even provides legal assistance to help them keep thier paperwork in order. But if the laws are not followed or you just snuck in to get on the easy welfare plan My boot will be on your backside to get you back where you came from.
8. Raceism
If I am going to hire someone or ask a question I am going to the person I think best for the job. I dont care if someone is green If they can do it best Its them for the task period. I dont owe anyone anythiong because they have more or less melanin in thier skin.
9. Employment/minimum wage.
I have worked hard and studied hard to achieve a certain set of skills that is marketable almost anywhere. I know the value of my work and what I want in return for it. I dont believe I deserve as much as say a doctor. But I do believe i should get more for my labors than they guy who just sweeps the floor.If you raise the minimum wage to twenty five dollars an hour whats the point in trying to improve your set of skills and marketability when you will get paid the same as the guy who just wants to do as little as possible and go home. I take pride in the work I do and it is reflected in the quality of the products I produce. Thats where the wage differential lies.
10.War
There is no justice in war. Its a horrible thing. But, "When in the course of human events...." Whether its another country or the asshole in the bar oppressing tose who do not have the ability to defend themselves it is time for someone to stand up and say "NO MORE!" Not for profit not for political advantage but because it right.



Ok does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

The devil is in the details:
1. Do your believe the apparatus of state should be used to enforce your beliefs on abortion on those who do not share them?
If yes you are a conservative, if not, liberal.
2. Are you in favour of teachers being allowed to use my tax dollars to teach my kids about your myths?
If yes you are a conservative, if no, liberal.
3. This is a tricky one. Your statement on taxes is a motherhood/apple pie platitude. The question is how do we determine what each person's fair share is?
4. See above.
5. The majority of liberals do not work for unions nor are the majority of union members IMO liberals. However you sound conservative on the issue.
6. Sounds moderate-right to me.
7. Again you are stating motherhood platitudes acceptable to both sides. Got any recent immigrants in your circle of close friends? Juan who you hired to sweep the floor doesn't count.
8. We are all racists. It is all a matter of how you act upon it. For most people, we have gone beyond the "don't hire a darkie" stage. How many brown/black friends do you have? how many have been in your living room?
9. Sounds conservative to me.
10. So you choose the white man's burden over crass imperialism; Congratu-fucking-lations.

A typical liberal response. Damn, they never really change.

[rehmwa 2]

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The question then becomes.... How do we "Middle roaders" get thing done when we have to chose between one extreeme or the other?

Step One: Bitch impotently on any issue that isn't being done right, according to your beliefs

Step Two: Take all sorts of crap and stereotyped abuse from the "true believers" of both sides

Step Three: Bend over while the gov steals all your income and gives it to the "true believers" of both sides

Step Four: Lose all hope and joy and just ignore the process going forward

I hope that helps

If you guys really beleive that the US Democratic and Rebublican parties represent extremes, you need to get some perspective.

"true believer" does not equal 'extreme' - you might need some perspective

In the spirit of political discourse, I'd have to say your comment sounds a little bit like Hitler - you must be eating too much red meat - why do you hate children and minorities so much? - if you really hate the earth, then go ahead and drive that

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Funny how many people around here CLAIM to be libertarian...yet only seem to support a radical right wing party line instead of any Libertarian positions..... the numbers just dont match up.. I think we have a lot of outright liars...I wonder why that is??

Because what you think someone else is, is dependant on where you stand yourself.

When I take political tests I am always shown as economic right, socially libertarian. From the one everyone seems to be taking now:

Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

And on other tests I get pretty much same results. See attachments.

However, if someone is way left of me then they might try to call me a NAZI.... Even though he was a facist and I am, by definition, the opposite of him. If the observer is way right of me, they would call me a hippy.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Amazon 7]

And I actually live there in Libertarian land....


Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41

I still stand by my statement... for so many people CLAIMING to be Libertarian.. you would think we would have a few more politicians elected from 3rd party's..

This election.and the 2 before it, I think a lot of rePUBICans are claiming being "independents" because they are embareASSED because of who they supported the last three times... and unlike those who they voted for.. have a modicum of conscience( but won't own up to being such complete rubes. Then again.. you are not the ones who profited so handomely as did those who fooled you into voting for them... It must REALLLLY Suck.. for so many of you who were so totally suckered.

[Ron 10]

Why don't more independent/republicans vote for third party candidates? The same reason independent/democrats don't vote for many third party candidates. Because third party candidates like Perot helped Clinton get elected and candidates like Nader helped Bush get elected. For the most part the third party people are unelectable and voting for them is almost a vote for the other party.

I had high hopes for Paul, but once he was seen to have no chance, I could have voted for a third party candidate, but that would have been pissing my vote away (of course, my State made it really pissed away already).

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I think a lot of rePUBICans are claiming being "independents" because they are embareASSED....

You really think that kind of BS is needed? You think that makes you look more center, or more extremist? Yet you call others extremist?

Really? Care to try civil debate without the BS?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Amazon 7]

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I think a lot of rePUBICans are claiming being "independents" because they are embareASSED....

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You really think that kind of BS is needed? You think that makes you look more center, or more extremist? Yet you call others extremist?

Really? Care to try civil debate without the BS?

Just trying to balance out the BS I have had to read...... but in this case its true and reflects my feelings about who some of those on that side of the spectrum really are.