Zep 0 #1 February 3, 2009 The other day I was offererd a couple of old shotguns cheap, one had hammers the other hammerless. both around 70-80 yrs old, ones a Grulla the other a Garbi. The idea was to mount them above the bar's fire place as ornaments, Here in Catalunya it's not legal to have working fire arms on display ( they have to be kept in a gun safe ) So I took them to the local gun smith to have the barrels drilled thus making them unfireable. then went to the local police to unregister them. Big mistake. to unregister a shotgun costs €25.00 then to register it as a non working fire arm another €25.00 and to top it all I have to wait till they issue a certificate saying that they are no longer fire arms before I can collect them from the gun smith. I have a fire arms certificate an can buy a gun and walk out of the gun smiths with the gun in less than 20 minutes. I can buy an imitation fire arm in less than 5 minutes So how the hell has it taken longer than a week (and I still havent got them ) and €100.00 over what I paid for the guns. BUREAUCRATIC BULLSHIT thats what. I'm looking for an old 410 bolt action shotgun to hang on the wall, and when I find one I'll drill it and hang it and not say any thing to anyone Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 February 3, 2009 "But, but, if it saves the life of just one child, it will be worth it." You talkin' Spain here? I'm wondering why you have to register a non-working firearm, since it's now no longer a firearm. I suppose that makes sense somehow to the gun-o-phobes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #3 February 4, 2009 Sad, typical bureacratic hoplophobia. "Sir, I'm just doing my job."“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 February 4, 2009 Here's another example, from Chicago:State bureaucracy causing problems for gun owners Illinois gun owners could fall prey to a state bureaucracy that fails to process firearm owner's identification cards promptly. The state's tardiness leaves some otherwise law-abiding firearm owners vulnerable to criminal charges because FOID cards often expire while the state police are still processing renewals. Criminal charges can be filed against any resident who possesses a gun but does not have a valid FOID card. The Illinois State Police agency is required by law to process FOID applications within 30 days. But the process is taking up to 60 business days. "Gun owners can't go shooting, can't go hunting, can't buy ammo, and can't legally own a gun. They're caught in a problem with the state police not complying with their own law." Source: http://daily-journal.com/archives/dj/display.php?id=434886 It's the perfect gun-control system. First you require that they be licensed, and require periodic renewal. Then you drag your feet and don't renew the licenses in time. And finally, the coup de grâce: you then seize their guns for failure to have a valid license! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #5 February 4, 2009 Why do you want guns on your wall that do not work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #6 February 4, 2009 QuoteHere's another example, from Chicago:News:State bureaucracy causing problems for gun owners Illinois gun owners could fall prey to a state bureaucracy that fails to process firearm owner's identification cards promptly. The state's tardiness leaves some otherwise law-abiding firearm owners vulnerable to criminal charges because FOID cards often expire while the state police are still processing renewals. Criminal charges can be filed against any resident who possesses a gun but does not have a valid FOID card. The Illinois State Police agency is required by law to process FOID applications within 30 days. But the process is taking up to 60 business days. "Gun owners can't go shooting, can't go hunting, can't buy ammo, and can't legally own a gun. They're caught in a problem with the state police not complying with their own law." Source: http://daily-journal.com/archives/dj/display.php?id=434886 It's the perfect gun-control system. First you require that they be licensed, and require periodic renewal. Then you drag your feet and don't renew the licenses in time. And finally, the coup de grâce: you then seize their guns for failure to have a valid license! I suspect being $2.5BILLION in the hole has more to do with the delay than any nefarious motives. Perhaps you'll send a small donation to the state police so they can afford to hire more staff.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 February 4, 2009 QuoteI suspect being $2.5BILLION in the hole has more to do with the delay than any nefarious motives. Maybe they should quit spending money registering and tracking honest people, and spend it instead on catching criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #8 February 4, 2009 I was wondering the same thing. once a firearm has been decomissioned it becomes an object. Pistols, rifles and blunderbus's do not need to be registerd after drilling holes in the barrel. It seems shotguns fall under a different catorgry. After talking to a local Guardia civil (the police force who control firearms) it seems that many people who buy shotguns have spare barels (different chokes) so they (the police ) want to keep track of decommisioned shotguns as they can be eaisly turned into firearms again IE: barrels are eaisy to get hold of. Sort of makes sense. It just annoyed me having to pay an extera €100.00 for a bit of paper work. Oh an John, Catalunya (or if you insist Spain) for a European country our gun laws are quite relaxed. We can have anything up to semiautomatic rifles. shotguns are allowed up to five shells, we can have revolvers and pistols but they can only be used on a firing range. Gun crime here is vertually unheard of so we have no need for guns as self defence. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 February 4, 2009 QuoteWhy do you want guns on your wall that do not work? Ambiance. I keep my guns locked up. But I have two "wall hangers" high up on the living room wall just for ambiance. They're just there because I like guns and they represent one of my hobbies. Both of those rifles are inoperable, with rods welded into the barrel, because they are former drill rifles. If someone were to steal them, it wouldn't matter because they can't be used for harm. The good stuff is inaccessible to thieves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #10 February 4, 2009 QuoteWhy do you want guns on your wall that do not work? It's not that I want guns on my wall that don't work , it's that the law requires that they don't work. The law here is that all firearms must be kept in a gun safe whilst not being used. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
