livendive 8 #101 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteOn the other hand, people who smoke marijuana do so to catch a buzz, get high, or get totally trashed. Anybody who has to do that to have fun or escape the stress of their daily life has problems far worse than any pot can cause them. As exhibit A, Michael Phelps' performance in the 2008 summer Olympics... Blues, Dave You don't need need much smarts to swim fast. Fish do it all the time. Of course, all the studies can be wrong. The diminished brain capacity could be the cause of marijuana use, not the result. I suspect it's a combination of both. I'd posit that it takes a fair amount of mental acuity to do something better than anyone ever has (world records) while on a stage in front of millions, with some of the best in the world trying to better you a few feet away. You could argue that any old stoner could rack up 8 golds in one Olympiad, but you'd look kind of silly, because the number of people who've done it before, stoned or sober, is zero. The bottom line is that clearly someone can be a pot smoker and still excel to an amazing degree. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #102 February 6, 2009 Quote You do know how intentional irony can be used as sarcasm, right? Right. Yes, I do. However, I doubt that was your intent. Quote A beer, a shot of whiskey, and a glass of wine have all been shown to help prevent heart attacks. Doesn't mean it isn't harmful when used in quantities high even to induce a buzz. Used in quantities high even to ... have you been using marijuana? You do know that thousands of people die every year from overdosing on alcohol while no one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #103 February 6, 2009 Are you guys still fighting like a Christian and a Muslim about who is right Both is not good for you, and both should be treated the same way with respect! Thank you for your time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #104 February 6, 2009 Quote Both is not good for you, and both should be treated the same way with respect! But you're wrong. Both are good for you, provided the amount is low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #105 February 6, 2009 I did write "treated with respect" didnt I ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #106 February 6, 2009 QuoteHowever, I doubt that was your intent. Then you are wrong. Quoteno one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana You better check again on that. Though uncommon it has happened. Some people can't handle even a small amount, similar to the way some can't tolerate anesthesia or any number of other chemicals.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #107 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuote Both is not good for you, and both should be treated the same way with respect! But you're wrong. Both are good for you, provided the amount is low. Hey! We agree on something! But I doubt you would agree that the amount of either that is healthy is less than the amount that the average user needs to get a buzz.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #108 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteno one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana You better check again on that. Though uncommon it has happened. Some people can't handle even a small amount, similar to the way some can't tolerate anesthesia or any number of other chemicals. Do you have a source?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #109 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOn the other hand, people who smoke marijuana do so to catch a buzz, get high, or get totally trashed. Anybody who has to do that to have fun or escape the stress of their daily life has problems far worse than any pot can cause them. As exhibit A, Michael Phelps' performance in the 2008 summer Olympics... Blues, Dave You don't need need much smarts to swim fast. Fish do it all the time. Of course, all the studies can be wrong. The diminished brain capacity could be the cause of marijuana use, not the result. I suspect it's a combination of both. I'd posit that it takes a fair amount of mental acuity to do something better than anyone ever has (world records) while on a stage in front of millions, with some of the best in the world trying to better you a few feet away. You could argue that any old stoner could rack up 8 golds in one Olympiad, but you'd look kind of silly, because the number of people who've done it before, stoned or sober, is zero. The bottom line is that clearly someone can be a pot smoker and still excel to an amazing degree. Blues, Dave I would argue that Phelps is not a stoner and most likely does not partake very often. Since marijuana stays in your system for several days, it is highly unlikely he would have been smoking during the time leading up to and including the Olympics unless he was taking a masking drug, which also are banned. Phelps physical attributes give him enough of an advantage over his competition that he could probably still win if he were as high as a kite. Like I said, "not much smarts" needed to swim fast.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #110 February 6, 2009 QuoteLike I said, "not much smarts" needed to swim fast. I know plenty of swimmers who wouldn't agree ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #111 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteno one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana You better check again on that. Though uncommon it has happened. Some people can't handle even a small amount, similar to the way some can't tolerate anesthesia or any number of other chemicals. Do you have a source? www.briancbennett.com/charts/death/cannabis.htm There's your source, but I expect you will not accept it.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #112 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteLike I said, "not much smarts" needed to swim fast. I know plenty of swimmers who wouldn't agree ... I know plenty of swimmers myself who would not agree. I also know plenty who would. Proves nothing.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #113 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteno one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana You better check again on that. Though uncommon it has happened. Some people can't handle even a small amount, similar to the way some can't tolerate anesthesia or any number of other chemicals. Do you have a source? www.briancbennett.com/charts/death/cannabis.htm There's your source, but I expect you will not accept it. Did you bother to read your source?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #114 February 6, 2009 >There's your source, but I expect you will not accept it. It says: ======== From the perspective of mortality, it appears there is very little justification for "protecting" people from marijuana. Indeed, all of the available data the government collects about the impacts of marijuana use bears out one consistent finding: the greatest danger of using marijuana is simply being caught with it. ======== which I agree with. I am surprised you do, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #115 February 6, 2009 Quote>There's your source, but I expect you will not accept it. It says: ======== From the perspective of mortality, it appears there is very little justification for "protecting" people from marijuana. Indeed, all of the available data the government collects about the impacts of marijuana use bears out one consistent finding: the greatest danger of using marijuana is simply being caught with it. ======== which I agree with. I am surprised you do, though. He asked for the source showing deaths from using marijuana. That is what I posted. I never said I agreed with all that is on the website.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #116 February 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteno one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana You better check again on that. Though uncommon it has happened. Some people can't handle even a small amount, similar to the way some can't tolerate anesthesia or any number of other chemicals. Do you have a source? www.briancbennett.com/charts/death/cannabis.htm There's your source, but I expect you will not accept it. Did you bother to read your source? Yes, I read the source. It still shows deaths directly from the use of maijuana even after the author had eliminated those that he felt were in error. Mind you, the author is sorting through the data in an effort to eliminate as many instances as he can. Therefor it is not, by any standards, an objective interpretation and he still found a small number that he can not attribute to anything other than marijuana. So there you have it. Your claim that it has never caused a single death is bullshit and disproved by someone whose outlook is much the same as your own.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #117 February 6, 2009 So how many do you think he overzealously eliminated? IOW, how many per year might be the high end. He says 37 over 25 years. I bet hot dogs and super gulps have claimed more victims in that - both in choking and distracted drivers eating and driving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #118 February 6, 2009 Hmm. So you posted a source, but you do not accept the conclusions made by the source. Ironic indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #119 February 6, 2009 If you read the conclusions, Bill, you would find out that he could not discredit all the deaths the CDC attributed to pot. What was asked, and what I gave, was a source of info that shows deaths attributed to pot. The source even went so far as to eliminate those deaths from the CDC listed cause. He could not. Nothing ironic about it at all unless you feel someone cannot accept part of a report without disbelieving or not accepting other parts. Edit to add: If you notice, the data was directly from the CDC. The interpretations are by someone who is trying to discredit the CDC findings, someone very biased.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #120 February 7, 2009 QuoteYes, I read the source. It still shows deaths directly from the use of maijuana even after the author had eliminated those that he felt were in error. Mind you, the author is sorting through the data in an effort to eliminate as many instances as he can. Therefor it is not, by any standards, an objective interpretation and he still found a small number that he can not attribute to anything other than marijuana. So there you have it. Your claim that it has never caused a single death is bullshit and disproved by someone whose outlook is much the same as your own. He didn't try to discredit all the deaths. He only tried to discredit the deaths from 2001, which he did. Which leads to the question, can the rest of the deaths be discredited? Regardless, marijuana has been shown to be less harmful than alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine. So, how about you stop pretending Reefer Madness is a documentary and do some research ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #121 February 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteYes, I read the source. It still shows deaths directly from the use of maijuana even after the author had eliminated those that he felt were in error. Mind you, the author is sorting through the data in an effort to eliminate as many instances as he can. Therefor it is not, by any standards, an objective interpretation and he still found a small number that he can not attribute to anything other than marijuana. So there you have it. Your claim that it has never caused a single death is bullshit and disproved by someone whose outlook is much the same as your own. He didn't try to discredit all the deaths. He only tried to discredit the deaths from 2001, which he did. Which leads to the question, can the rest of the deaths be discredited? Regardless, marijuana has been shown to be less harmful than alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine. So, how about you stop pretending Reefer Madness is a documentary and do some research ... He also admitted he does not fully understand how the CDC classifies "cause of death". Where he did not understand something he interpreted the data in a manner that would best suit his cause. Not exactly an accurate means, now was it? If it weren't for the data posted on that website from the CDC, the whole thing would be nothing more than biased conjecture. How 'bout you stop touting it as some kind of harmless drug? I have done research into it. Evidently you have not. This thread is going nowhere but in circles. Ya'll are pissed because I view smoking pot as a stupid act done by people who don't have the guts to face reality head on. Now I'm sure somebody is going to come right back with some kind of response saying that i do the same thing by drinking beer. Fact is, it is NOT the same. People who smoke pot do so to get high, get a buzz, whatever you want to call it. They are intentionally altering the chemistry of their brain to induce an artificial sense of euphoria. I drink a beer once in a while because I enjoy the taste and never drink enough to get a buzz. I STOP before any significant chemical change has taken place and any alcohol I ingest is out of my system within a few hours. I am done with you here.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #122 February 7, 2009 >Ya'll are pissed because I view smoking pot as a stupid act done by >people who don't have the guts to face reality head on. Have you ever smoked pot? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #123 February 7, 2009 Quote>Ya'll are pissed because I view smoking pot as a stupid act done by >people who don't have the guts to face reality head on. Have you ever smoked pot? For a brief period back in the 70s when I was young and stupid. Then I grew up and started facing my problems head on.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #124 February 7, 2009 Quote Quote >Ya'll are pissed because I view smoking pot as a stupid act done by >people who don't have the guts to face reality head on. Have you ever smoked pot? For a brief period back in the 70s when I was young and stupid. Then I grew up and started facing my problems head on. These pro/anti pot smoking discussions never fail to amuse me. The brass tacks final question is this: Is smoking marijuana harmful? I would submit that in fact it is~ on various levels, just ask the Olympic champ if smoking weed has hurt his income. It's out there, people do it, if you're an adult, then make your own decisions...just a word of caution - - be on alert regarding who you do what with, and especially about getting your photo taken....things do come back to haunt you. I know quite a few professionals in the business world, some that even post on this site, that never even allow for pics of themselves holding a beer to be taken. ...it's too bad we live in a world where stuff like that matters, but we do. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #125 February 7, 2009 So what's your skydiving profile, anyway? We're not in a great place to lecture others about not doing risky activities for some reward or to escape reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
