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Still better than being caught with their dick in a minor, like YOUR heroes.



Personally I could care less what they do with their dicks.. and GEE... they have not made it a crusade against what others are doing with theirs either....... But I DO enjoy it when your guys get caught doing what they campaign against.. no wonder you are so butt hurt about the people you vote for...

I dont have the expectation of politicians being perfect and adhereing to your set of values. I just want them to do their jobs.. and that does not include a fucked up sense of conservative values that are idiotic in the first place.

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Not at all.. Live by the moralistic bullshit.. die by the moralistic bullshit when you get caught with your boyfriend..or local vice-cop.:ph34r::ph34r:

Oh and by the way.. if it was a raging homophobic Democratic senator who supported unequal rights for gays... and campaigned on family values and got caught in such a compromising divergence in his own personal life.. I would say the same thing.

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And when did McGreevey campaign for defense of marriage.. or any of the other Karl Rove issues you love so much..


He was an adulterer... he resigned... good for him... are you suggesting that every politician who has had an affair should resign???

Lets get John McCain to resign.. ok??

How about the good Senator from Lousiana???

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And when did McGreevey campaign for defense of marriage.. or any of the other Karl Rove issues you love so much..


He was an adulterer... he resigned... good for him... are you suggesting that every politician who has had an affair should resign???

Lets get John McCain to resign.. ok??

How about the good Senator from Lousiana???



I'm not stating anything of the sort - you're the one that is going on and on about homosexuality - so long as it's a Republican that's in the spotlight, that is.
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Are you giving him a pass here and now in this public forum? No. Do I expect you to give him a pass in the voting booth in the 2010 Congressional elections? No. Should we expect FoxNews and the Wall Street Journal to give him a pass? No. Don't underestimate your own power as a citizen. We're a democratic republic, and public forums like this are one of the ways that We The People act as the ultimate employers of our government.



Great point. What I don't understand is how those on the left and the Obama supporters don't see this as offensive. He makes responsibility and accountability a huge issue and then makes excuses for two appointees. There's no way they made "mistakes." But IF they did then incompetency is a disqualifier.
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I suspect it's more of a high income thing:

articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/AvoidAnAudit/the-biggest-tax-cheats-rich-folks.aspx

Over 20% of people who make $500k - $1M per year underreport their income according to the IRS.



Interesting article - thanks. Nice data in the study.

And combine that with decline in overall audits & auditers: "IRS Audits of Large Companies Decline for 3rd Year in Row." One more illustration of how important enforcement of laws, whether regulatory in food safety, financial management or tax codes, is.

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Are you giving him a pass here and now in this public forum? No. Do I expect you to give him a pass in the voting booth in the 2010 Congressional elections? No. Should we expect FoxNews and the Wall Street Journal to give him a pass? No. Don't underestimate your own power as a citizen. We're a democratic republic, and public forums like this are one of the ways that We The People act as the ultimate employers of our government.



Great point. What I don't understand is how those on the left and the Obama supporters don't see this as offensive. He makes responsibility and accountability a huge issue and then makes excuses for two appointees. There's no way they made "mistakes." But IF they did then incompetency is a disqualifier.



It IS offensive, but it's not a left/right thing. To repeat what I wrote earlier,

Over 20% of people who make $500k - $1M per year underreport their income according to the IRS.

THAT is what is really offensive. Yet the Bush administration cut back on IRS enforcement for the very group that contains the worst offenders.

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Over 20% of people who make $500k - $1M per year underreport their income according to the IRS.

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About as well as Sam Adams...what's your point?



The real outrage is that he's named after my favorite beer. Can you imagine some pervert named Shiner Bock getting arrested? I think the whole state of Texas would shut down.



Well, I'm just glad that Sir Alec Guinness never brought disgrace to my favorite beer.
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And when did McGreevey campaign for defense of marriage.. or any of the other Karl Rove issues you love so much..


He was an adulterer... he resigned... good for him... are you suggesting that every politician who has had an affair should resign???

Lets get John McCain to resign.. ok??

How about the good Senator from Lousiana???



I'm not stating anything of the sort - you're the one that is going on and on about homosexuality - so long as it's a Republican that's in the spotlight, that is.



You still dont get it.. me.. I dont care who the fuck they sleep with.... until they attack others for what they themselves are..:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

I am good with the job the people I have voted for are doing.. its you on the right that expect so much.... and get so little..

that is funny right there... expect so much.. and get so......little.. I guess that is in more areas ....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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It IS offensive, but it's not a left/right thing. To repeat what I wrote earlier,

Over 20% of people who make $500k - $1M per year underreport their income according to the IRS.

THAT is what is really offensive. Yet the Bush administration cut back on IRS enforcement for the very group that contains the worst offenders.



So, what you are saying has nothing to do with principle. Obama takes a principled stand on responsible, transparent government. And now we have two cabinet appointees who didn't pay taxes. Everyone on the left is making excuses. It is a left right thing. Obama could earn HUGE points if he ousted these two bums. But IAW Chicago politics, he owes them something, and he needs to deliver. And yes he can.
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It IS offensive, but it's not a left/right thing. To repeat what I wrote earlier,

Over 20% of people who make $500k - $1M per year underreport their income according to the IRS.

THAT is what is really offensive. Yet the Bush administration cut back on IRS enforcement for the very group that contains the worst offenders.



So, what you are saying has nothing to do with principle. Obama takes a principled stand on responsible, transparent government. And now we have two cabinet appointees who didn't pay taxes. Everyone on the left is making excuses. It is a left right thing. Obama could earn HUGE points if he ousted these two bums. But IAW Chicago politics, he owes them something, and he needs to deliver. And yes he can.



I think I'm agreeing with you.

OTOH, maybe it takes a thief to catch one.

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IRS. Source provided previously IN THIS VERYTHREAD.



No, the source is not IRS. The source is "Joel Slemrod, an economics professor and the director of the Office of Tax Policy Research at the University of Michigan's business school, and Andrew Johns, an IRS researcher". They claim to base it on the unpublished IRS source, but there is no confirmation about it, so the real question is, how trustworthy are those people. Even if their research is based on a real IRS source, they said nothing about how they calculated the percentage. This may have huge difference.
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Maybe you missed this bit:

and Andrew Johns, an IRS researcher.

You might also look at Fig 7 in the following IRS publication:

www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/tax_gap_report_final_080207_linked.pdf

which shows that some 70% of the underpaid tax is from the self-employed and small business owners - those pillars of Republican society.

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Maybe you missed this bit:
and Andrew Johns, an IRS researcher.



No, I didn't. This part is even quoted in my own post. Note it doesn't say "IRS employee", and basically everyone who spends couple hours on irs.gov could call themselves "IRS researcher".

This, however, doesn't change anything I said - we do not even know if such report exists at all, and since it is not available, we cannot get a second opinion on it to see if the research was invalid or biased.
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I love the way this thread has gone. If it were you or I who had not reported or paid then the IRS would be all over us , but not Congresspersons or Senators. And the fact that they "paid up" isn't the issue. The issue is that they would not have if it were not for the fact that they were being vetted for a cabinet position and the IRS would never have come after them. Hell, Guiethner (sp) was already past the statute of limitations on the IRS being able to go after him. Get a grip folks, THEY are different than you and I, but if you still want to support them that is your right, but I don't think it says a lot about some of you either.
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Maybe you missed this bit:
and Andrew Johns, an IRS researcher.



No, I didn't. This part is even quoted in my own post. Note it doesn't say "IRS employee", and basically everyone who spends couple hours on irs.gov could call themselves "IRS researcher".



Apparently Mr. Johns is an IRS EMPLOYEE (unless you really truly believe the University of Michigan Business School deliberately lies on its publications).

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I love the way this thread has gone. If it were you or I who had not reported or paid then the IRS would be all over us , but not Congresspersons or Senators. And the fact that they "paid up" isn't the issue. The issue is that they would not have if it were not for the fact that they were being vetted for a cabinet position and the IRS would never have come after them. Hell, Guiethner (sp) was already past the statute of limitations on the IRS being able to go after him.



Exactly. But the larger issue to me is that the left will continue to defend the messiah no matter what he does, and they continue to lose credibility.
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Maybe you missed this bit:

and Andrew Johns, an IRS researcher.

You might also look at Fig 7 in the following IRS publication:

www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/tax_gap_report_final_080207_linked.pdf

which shows that some 70% of the underpaid tax is from the self-employed and small business owners - those pillars of Republican society.



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