vortexring 0 #1 January 30, 2009 Came across this report on suicide in the Ivan army: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7425694.stm It says: 'The BBC's Russia analyst, Steven Eke, says dedovshchina - literally, rule of the elders, a culturally specific, often very violent, form of bullying, is cited as the most frequent trigger for young soldiers taking their own lives.' The bullying within the Russian Army is beyond belief. It does make me wonder though, when the piece concludes with: 'He suggested that Russia use the experience of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan to help their troops deal with the psychological trauma of combat'. This then leads me onto: 'US army suicides hit record high' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7859797.stm And this: 'British Military Suicides in the Falklands and Iraq' http://warandhealth.com/british-military-suicides-in-the-falklands-and-iraq/ Grim reading indeed. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites