434 2 #1 January 25, 2009 DUBLIN, Ireland — Across Europe, President Barack Obama's decision to shut the Guantanamo Bay prison has raised an awkward question: Which EU states that railed against the camp will offer new lives to released prisoners? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/23/which-eu-states-will-offe_n_160321.html Why should Europe handle the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #2 January 25, 2009 QuoteWhy should Europe handle the problem? It shouldn't be expected to, but could do so if it does not adversely impact our Best Interests (to paraphrase one of our American friends on here) If any of the people in Gitmo could be tried under US law then they should be other wise they should not have been kidnapped in the first place. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #3 January 25, 2009 the obvious choice for the Americans to relocate these people would be Ground zero Nevada, nice town with all the amenities they could need. Or if the Europeans decide to do Americas dirty work, well we have just the right real estate for them, the Moruroa and Fangataufa atolls in the South Pacific Personally though I'd send them all to Cambridge Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy should Europe handle the problem? It shouldn't be expected to, but could do so if it does not adversely impact our Best Interests (to paraphrase one of our American friends on here) If any of the people in Gitmo could be tried under US law then they should be other wise they should not have been kidnapped in the first place. ...which clearly illustrates what I've been saying and posting all along: there are only 2 legal categories of captives: (a) criminal defendants - prosecute them and give them a speedy trial in a court of law, or release them, or (b) POWs subject to the Geneva Convention. That the Bush Admin got us into this conundrum of what to do with these "other fellers" illustrates so clearly that there is NO lawful third category. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote Why should Europe handle the problem? If any of the people in Gitmo could be tried under US law then they should be other wise they should not have been kidnapped in the first place. Aww Tony...you didn't just say that did you?Al Qaeda Chief Was Released by U.S. From Gitmo http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481849,00.html A Saudi man who was released from Guantanamo after spending six years inside the U.S. prison camp has joined Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen and is now the terror group's No. 2 in the country, according to a purported Internet statement from Al Qaeda.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #6 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Why should Europe handle the problem? If any of the people in Gitmo could be tried under US law then they should be other wise they should not have been kidnapped in the first place. Aww Tony...you didn't just say that did you?Al Qaeda Chief Was Released by U.S. From Gitmo http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481849,00.html A Saudi man who was released from Guantanamo after spending six years inside the U.S. prison camp has joined Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen and is now the terror group's No. 2 in the country, according to a purported Internet statement from Al Qaeda. Demonstrates quite clearly that kidnapping people and mistreating them makes enemies of them.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Why should Europe handle the problem? If any of the people in Gitmo could be tried under US law then they should be other wise they should not have been kidnapped in the first place. Aww Tony...you didn't just say that did you?Al Qaeda Chief Was Released by U.S. From Gitmo http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481849,00.html A Saudi man who was released from Guantanamo after spending six years inside the U.S. prison camp has joined Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen and is now the terror group's No. 2 in the country, according to a purported Internet statement from Al Qaeda. Quote http://mediamatters.org/items/200901230002?f=h_top Quote Media advance falsehood that Pentagon has confirmed that 61 former Guantánamo detainees have returned to battlefield Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #8 January 25, 2009 Quote Demonstrates quite clearly that kidnapping people and mistreating them makes enemies of them. Umm..yeah. They were our friends when we detained them. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 January 25, 2009 Quote Personally though I'd send them all to Cambridge Git (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 January 25, 2009 Funny that .... if I'd been held illegally for any period of time I'd want pay back too. Some one else said on here a while ago that Gitmo may very well create more Enemy combatants. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote Demonstrates quite clearly that kidnapping people and mistreating them makes enemies of them. Umm..yeah. They were our friends when we detained them. If they were criminal suspects they should have been prosecuted in a court of law. If they were POWs they should have been treated according to the Geneva Convention. There is no legal third category. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #12 January 25, 2009 I guess it is better to spread them around europe! They will create new terror cells we can fight, and scare people to accept more security! Pretty dam good plan! Can anyone of you tell me why we should accept to help you out in this matter? Why can you not clean up the mess yourselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #13 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy should Europe handle the problem? It shouldn't be expected to, but could do so if it does not adversely impact our Best Interests (to paraphrase one of our American friends on here). Ya know. When Americans say that, we're viewed as evil and selfish and lectured on Whole World mentality. When non-Americans say that, it's ok. Parallel this to yelling at your neighbor for animal cruelty. Lets say he keeps mean pit bulls chained in his front yard. Yelling and demanding that things change. So he releases all the dogs. They go and bite and do what mean dogs do. And... if one of your children gets bit... it's still going to be the neighbors fault. Questions to consider: 1. Why was he keeping the pit bulls? 2. Where SHOULD they go? 3. If the neighbor THINKS he/she could take better care, why doesn't he/she OFFER assistance and not just bitch and moan? It's easy to criticize. Much harder still to offer aid. 4. If they do end up hurting others once released.... is it the neighbors "fault" or the dogs "fault" or the one that demanded the release? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 January 25, 2009 Quote Can anyone of you tell me why we should accept to help you out in this matter? No. QuoteWhy can you not clean up the mess yourselves? We should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 January 25, 2009 QuoteDemonstrates quite clearly that kidnapping people and mistreating them makes enemies of them. Only if you make the (LARGE) assumption that they were not an enemy to begin with.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #16 January 25, 2009 And no. I'm not saying that people should be chained like animals. Nor should animals be chained. And pit bulls can be nice and good pets if they are raised with respect and treated kindly..... So... no flaming on those points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteDemonstrates quite clearly that kidnapping people and mistreating them makes enemies of them. Only if you make the (LARGE) assumption that they were not an enemy to begin with. Most true POWs, in all wars, are enemies to begin with. Eventual repatriation happens all the time, and they generally get on with their lives. Whether they're bitter for the rest of their lives often depends on how they were treated in captivity. US prisoners of the Japanese, for example, tended to remain pretty bitter toward Japan, and with good cause. German prisoners of the US, on the other hand, were generally not bitter toward the US. Both directly related to their respective conditions of captivity. How the ex-Gitmo prisoners feel about the US may very well depend on the conditions of their captivity. But nobody really thought about that ahead of time, did they? D'oh!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #18 January 25, 2009 Quote DUBLIN, Ireland — Across Europe, President Barack Obama's decision to shut the Guantanamo Bay prison has raised an awkward question: Which EU states that railed against the camp will offer new lives to released prisoners? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/23/which-eu-states-will-offe_n_160321.html Why should Europe handle the problem? Europe shouldn't be expected to handle it. Yet, Portugal seemed to announce that the EU should be expected to form a plan in order to take a lead on this matter...why, I have no idea. These detainees should not come to the US, or be sent to Europe in my opinion. This will be the primary challenge to President Obama's one-year mandate with no strategy. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 January 25, 2009 It would be far easierr if they just seal them in one of their caves in Afghanistan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #20 January 25, 2009 Switzerland, Portugal, Spain, French, Irland, Sweeden, and Norway have said they are willing to help out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #21 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteDemonstrates quite clearly that kidnapping people and mistreating them makes enemies of them. Only if you make the (LARGE) assumption that they were not an enemy to begin with. If we have any proof that they were, then we should put them on trial. If we don't have any such proof, the assumption you mention is not large at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #22 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote Personally though I'd send them all to Cambridge Git Give 'em guns and send them to Washington DC. No one would be able to see an iota of difference.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #23 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote DUBLIN, Ireland — Across Europe, President Barack Obama's decision to shut the Guantanamo Bay prison has raised an awkward question: Which EU states that railed against the camp will offer new lives to released prisoners? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/23/which-eu-states-will-offe_n_160321.html Why should Europe handle the problem? Europe shouldn't be expected to handle it. Yet, Portugal seemed to announce that the EU should be expected to form a plan in order to take a lead on this matter...why, I have no idea. These detainees should not come to the US, or be sent to Europe in my opinion. Why not the US? We (Bush) created the problem. We should clear up the mess we made. That the problem is intractable is no excuse for inaction. Quote This will be the primary challenge to President Obama's one-year mandate with no strategy. We had 7 years of dumb strategy which put them there.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #24 January 25, 2009 QuoteSwitzerland, Portugal, Spain, French, Irland, Sweeden, and Norway have said they are willing to help out! Well I hope the respective governments hold a public referendum before coming to such a decision. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #25 January 26, 2009 Quote Why should Europe handle the problem? I don't think they should handle the problem. It's our (Obama's) order that needs a plan, not Europe's. What they should do is shut the fuck up unless they're willing to help out. If you're not willing to help, that's fine. You forfeit the right to bitch. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
