rushmc 23 #26 January 23, 2009 Quote Quote I can only imagine the uproar, rush to judgement and hastily implimented laws (restricted ownership, reistration, banning) that would have happened had this tragity been done with a gun(s). I've already established in this thread, that the gun-o-phobes don't care about knife murders. It seems that they just don't matter... Only gun murders are important enough to do something about. Just look at Capt.Slog's message #16, above, for an example of that kind of thinking. You are correct. But for fun, look at Slog's profile. Hard to take serious"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #27 January 23, 2009 In 2006, there were 13,470 fatalities in crashes involving an alcohol-impaired driver (BAC of .08 or higher) – 32 percent of total traffic fatalities for the year. Yup...I think it's time we bring back prohibition.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #28 January 23, 2009 >In 2006, there were 13,470 fatalities in crashes involving an alcohol-impaired >driver (BAC of .08 or higher) – 32 percent of total traffic fatalities for the year. >Yup...I think it's time we bring back prohibition. Who said anything about bringing back prohibition? But it would be a good idea to register cars, require driver's licenses and have some sort of insurance coverage. Laws against drunk driving would also be a good idea. And what do you know? We've got that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #29 January 23, 2009 As we do murder laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #30 January 23, 2009 Quote >In 2006, there were 13,470 fatalities in crashes involving an alcohol-impaired >driver (BAC of .08 or higher) – 32 percent of total traffic fatalities for the year. >Yup...I think it's time we bring back prohibition. Who said anything about bringing back prohibition? But it would be a good idea to register cars, require driver's licenses and have some sort of insurance coverage. Laws against drunk driving would also be a good idea. And what do you know? We've got that. Which is great but I can take my car out in public....with a full tank of gas even! www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #31 January 23, 2009 >Which is great but I can take my car out in public....with a full tank of gas even! True! But you can't take it into libraries, airports, hotel lobbies or school hallways. You have to register it, insure it and get a license saying you've been trained to operate it in public. It has to have basic safety features like brakes, taillights, seatbelts and a horn. It can't have anything sharp on it that would impale pedestrians, can't make too much noise and can't damage roads it drives over. Is that how you prefer guns were regulated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #32 January 23, 2009 no but we should start registering all alcohol purchases. Particularly for those who own cars and could potentially snap, get drunk, and go for a drive. Or better yet we should make breathalizer ignition switches mandatory for all vehicles.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #33 January 23, 2009 They ARE currently most of those. Legal, law abiding gun owners know this. Criminals simply do not care, nor will they. Short of registration, my weapons currently are: not taken into libraries, sterile areas of airports, hotel, schools, ANY public gatherings, they're insured, I DO have a license and HAVE been trained (multiple times), they do have basic safety features (and are kept in a safe), and I do have a SAS so it wouldn't typically snag on anything or have any sharp points on it. Where's the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #34 January 23, 2009 >no but we should start registering all alcohol purchases. OK. Would have to be very short term registration, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #35 January 23, 2009 >Where's the problem? So just to be clear here - You are OK with gun registration, mandatory liability insurance and mandatory licensing for any gun owners? That seems somewhat contrary to your previous position. Personally, I think treating guns like cars is a bit dumb. They're really not all that similar. (And treating a bottle of beer or a knife the same as the above is even dumber.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #36 January 23, 2009 Quote>no but we should start registering all alcohol purchases. OK. Would have to be very short term registration, though. That doesn't matter. Once registered it's recorder for life and we will then have data on EVERY individual's alcohol usage and combine that with miles driven per year we will then have excellent foresight into those who are most likely to drink and drive.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigbearfng 18 #37 January 23, 2009 Quote>So when someone is stabbed to death, it's only 20% as important to >do something about as when someone is shot to death? Yes. This is true in skydiving as well. If 20 people a year are dying under open canopies due to poor canopy control, and only 4 are dying every year due to bad packing - our efforts are better spent on canopy education than on packing education. (Of course, if we have time to do both, that would be great.) Pick a better analogy in reference to how it was stated....... If someone in your family dies by knife it damn sure isn't only 20% as important............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #38 January 23, 2009 I did not state I'm good with registering. I have a permit for ME, I find that more than sufficient. I also never mentioned liability insurance...and some states have decided you should not be able to sue the manufacturer, which I DO fully support. I'm just trying (again) to show that the fact that CRIMINALS use them in a CRIMINAL fashion to do something ILLEGAL will not change simply because we stack MORE laws for law abiding citizens. Why people don't see this just amazes me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #39 January 23, 2009 >Once registered it's recorder for life and we will then have data on EVERY >individual's alcohol usage and combine that with miles driven per year we will >then have excellent foresight into those who are most likely to drink and drive. OK. Sounds like a dumb idea to me, but I'll let you pay for setting up that system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #40 January 23, 2009 Quote >Once registered it's recorder for life and we will then have data on EVERY >individual's alcohol usage and combine that with miles driven per year we will >then have excellent foresight into those who are most likely to drink and drive. OK. Sounds like a dumb idea to me, but I'll let you pay for setting up that system. Yes it is a dumb idea. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #41 January 23, 2009 >Pick a better analogy in reference to how it was stated....... >If someone in your family dies by knife it damn sure isn't only 20% as >important............. Of course it's just as important. And when the paramedics pull up to the DZ, they will give their patient 100% of their effort to save their lives. But when USPA tries to decide what to concentrate on, they should concentrate on what's killing the most people. That's true everywhere. What should we concentrate medical research on? Cures for heart disease and cancer, or for fatal familial insomnia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #42 January 23, 2009 Can we include conceal carry permits please? I don't want to wait on a "cooling off" period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #43 January 23, 2009 Quote I've already donated all mine to TSA because I'm forgetful thats WHY one needs one of these... http://www.coldsteel.com/deltadart.html without the keyring of course!! Worked for me a few times since 9-11... Well at least uP to the time TSA started installing and using full body scanners.... argh! I hate like the dickens having to rely on BigBrother to save my ass over some lil prick with a box cutter or even a well hidden MP5 or microUzi!! But f*ck, when it comes down to it a ball point pen or my hands will work just as well... and what is wrong with my clicky? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #44 January 23, 2009 Just once I'd like to see a knife thread that really is about knives. The duplicity is really quite hurtful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #45 October 6, 2009 In England we don't need guns and we don't care about pointy sticks because we know how to defend ourselves. I'm more concerned about psychos with a grape. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIkMXw_YM4&feature=relatedWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
