pirana 0 #1 January 22, 2009 Anybody else see Stewart's special live post-inauguration show last night. Love that show, he skewers them all. Best was the montage of clips from Bush and Obama speeches in which they said, almost word for word, the same exact things about God, peace, strength, security, terrorism, jobs, etc. Granted, Obama's actions may be different (we can only hope), but their rhetoric is almost identical. I wonder what the Obama crew's reaction was when their research showed that what the American people wanted to hear was the same as what Bush has been saying all along? Well, maybe a rhetorical question, because obviously there reaction was to write a speech in which he did in fact say the same things Bush has been saying all along. Let's hope there is a difference in execution." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 January 22, 2009 QuoteI wonder what the Obama crew's reaction was when their research showed that what the American people wanted to hear was the same as what Bush has been saying all along? Well, maybe a rhetorical question, because obviously there reaction was to write a speech in which he did in fact say the same things Bush has been saying all along. Let's hope there is a difference in execution. You already answered it right there. Bush made a lot of claims.. and usually did none of them. He was the decider and went off and did something completely different that THE PEOPLE did not want.. but what a very SLECT FEW wanted. Bush is NOT a a man of his word. There is a vast difference. I am hoping that Obama is a man of his word... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #3 January 22, 2009 Not even close to being the same as the old boss. Executive orders banning lobbyist gifts and closing the revolving door? Increasing transparency through FOIA? Working to close Gitmo? Talking to Middle Eastern Leaders? Not bad for day one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #4 January 22, 2009 QuoteNot even close to being the same as the old boss. Executive orders banning lobbyist gifts and closing the revolving door? Increasing transparency through FOIA? Working to close Gitmo? Talking to Middle Eastern Leaders? Not bad for day one. I agree wholeheartedly. I was really impressed with what I read yesterday about his actions during his first day in office. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #5 January 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteNot even close to being the same as the old boss. Executive orders banning lobbyist gifts and closing the revolving door? Increasing transparency through FOIA? Working to close Gitmo? Talking to Middle Eastern Leaders? Not bad for day one. I agree wholeheartedly. I was really impressed with what I read yesterday about his actions during his first day in office. Same here; and I do think he will behave much differently. Mostly I just found the similarity in the public pontifications very humorous. The orders signed so far appear to signal an incredible about face in policy. I really liked his reference to Bushs' treatment of science. I am anxious to see if he chimes in on the upcoming round of creationism versus evolution brewing in Texas. As an aside, the Discovery Institute "expert" on the history of science says that evolution does not adequately explain the Cambrian explosion, citing it as occurring 150 million years ago. Meanwhile, the head of the Texas BOE, insists that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. The dipstick can't even stay in step with his own expert." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 January 22, 2009 QuoteAs an aside, the Discovery Institute "expert" on the history of science says that evolution does not adequately explain the Cambrian explosion, citing it as occurring 150 million years ago. Meanwhile, the head of the Texas BOE, insists that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. The dipstick can't even stay in step with his own expert. They sound like some very uneducated tools Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #7 January 22, 2009 QuoteGranted, Obama's actions may be different (we can only hope), but their rhetoric is almost identical. Rhetoric -The ability to use language effectively. -The art of making persuasive speeches; oratory. I think its safe to say that Bush ain't gots no rhetoric.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #8 January 22, 2009 QuoteNot even close to being the same as the old boss. Executive orders banning lobbyist gifts and closing the revolving door? Increasing transparency through FOIA? Working to close Gitmo? Talking to Middle Eastern Leaders? Not bad for day one.+1"No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 January 22, 2009 QuoteQuote Let's hope there is a difference in execution. You already answered it right there. Bush made a lot of claims.. and usually did none of them. He was the decider and went off and did something completely different that THE PEOPLE did not want.. but what a very SLECT FEW wanted. Bush is NOT a a man of his word. There is a vast difference. I am hoping that Obama is a man of his word... He's not a dictator, and if he's not willing to abuse the imperial presidency, there's great limitations to what he can do. And then if he gets tired of obstructionalists across the aisle, he can use his excessive powers and people will be pissed for that. But it seems pretty clear that at least a few stupid policies will go away immediately, so I have some hope. Ultimately, his power to affect a vision grows if the economy recovers, wanes if it keeps stagnating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 January 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteGranted, Obama's actions may be different (we can only hope), but their rhetoric is almost identical. Rhetoric -The ability to use language effectively. -The art of making persuasive speeches; oratory. I think its safe to say that Bush ain't gots no rhetoric. I think the use of this word is drifting towards the simpler 3rd common definition: verbal communication: discourse. But mind you, part of Bush's country schtick is quite intentional. He was running against Gore (and by extension, Clinton) as the anti intellectual, and it worked. No one would mistake him for Reagan, or even his dad, but there's certainly a speaking persona different from himself. See the HBO documentary (See George Run, iirc). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #11 January 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteGranted, Obama's actions may be different (we can only hope), but their rhetoric is almost identical. Rhetoric -The ability to use language effectively. -The art of making persuasive speeches; oratory. I think its safe to say that Bush ain't gots no rhetoric. You'd have to see the show. I think they grabbed his best bites, because there wasn't a stumble to be found." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #12 January 22, 2009 Quote>See the HBO documentary (See George Run, iirc). >>You'd have to see the show. I look forward to watching both of these programs. In the mean time, I would like to point out this short video of the Obama staff metting. Note how Obama reaches out to Biden, somewhat in disdain after Biden makes a joke about the Chief Justice. It's similar to how he reacted to O'Riley's comments in their interview. Obama also shakes his head as if to say...look, we won, it is now time to put the childish things behind us...lets get to work and unite this country. I think it is humility like this that people can relate to and respect. We're gonna have to keep an eye on Biden though. http://video.aol.com/partner/cnn/vp-biden-jokes/politics:2009:01:21:sot:biden:wh:staff:oath/?icid=VIDLRVNWS04Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #13 January 22, 2009 Keep an eye on Biden? No way...let the man speak. And I really don't see Obama's reaction as being gracious. Likely he was upset at the oath turning out the way it did regardless of who's fault it was and probably took Biden's jibe personally.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #14 January 22, 2009 QuoteKeep an eye on Biden? No way...let the man speak. Thats fine, but though he can be charming...to me, I have some reservations in regard to how he presents himself...but I'm sure he'll prove himself to be just...just as Obama will.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #15 January 22, 2009 It's the Delaware drinking water I tell ya. If you need proof just talk to any skydiver from Delmarva."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
