airdvr 210 #1 January 13, 2009 See this type of picture alot. Look like a particularly nasty indiscriminate type of ordinance.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #2 January 13, 2009 Quote Look like a particularly nasty indiscriminate type of ordinance. I dont think it's a cluster bobb. It sure likes a "To who it may concern bomb" I dont know for sure exactly what that is though.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 January 13, 2009 I think it's a type of cluster artillery, white phosphorous. Don't want to be in the neighborhood when it is used. It burns, and burns, and burns, and burns, and doesn't stop until it has burned itself out.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #4 January 13, 2009 I belive that WP is also a banned weapon - is that correct? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 January 13, 2009 QuoteI belive that WP is also a banned weapon - is that correct? No, it is not a banned weapon. In my quick searching, the military doctrines around its use are for military targets of course.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #6 January 13, 2009 QuoteI belive that WP is also a banned weapon - is that correct? Why would it be banned?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #7 January 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteI belive that WP is also a banned weapon - is that correct? Why would it be banned? There are some rules to war, believe it or not. Full metal jacket ammo, rather than soft point for example. It seems kind of ridiculous, considering all the deadly weaponry available these days. White phosphorus was used all the time in Vietnam... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #8 January 13, 2009 QuoteWhat kind of munitions are these? Looks like FSM.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 January 13, 2009 QuoteSee this type of picture alot. Look like a particularly nasty indiscriminate type of ordinance. Makes a mockery of Israel's claims to be trying to avoid civillian casualties.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 January 13, 2009 It looks like it's "staged", i.e., there's one set of rounds on their way to the target, followed by another set just coming from the shell. Ouch, bet that's going to hurt alot.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #11 January 13, 2009 The kind that go bang. But seriously, I belive they are some form of artillery shell designed to detonate at some predetermined agl.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #12 January 13, 2009 Quote Makes a mockery of Israel's claims to be trying to avoid civillian casualties. maybe they meant Israeli citizens. Don't ask me, I don't even know where the pic came fromYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #13 January 13, 2009 New technology has changed weaponry a lot in the past 30 years. I remember when even a cluster bomb was classified. I'll bet Lou Diamond knows exactly what that picture shows. My guess would be some type of anti-personel cluster bomb, from an artillery shell. They didn't have anything like that in the 70's, but maybe they do now. I'm just guessing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 January 13, 2009 QuoteThere are some rules to war, believe it or not. Full metal jacket ammo, rather than soft point for example. It seems kind of ridiculous, considering all the deadly weaponry available these days. White phosphorus was used all the time in Vietnam... I think the intended use is to fuck with the wonderful Hamas types out setting up rockets from the back yard... If you stay inside.. your concrete house is not going to catch fire.. if you just launched a Kasam rocket and its tracked by radar and you are getting ready to launch another.. you are going to have a VERY bad day. Welcome to hell fucknugget... WAY TO BURN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #15 January 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteSee this type of picture alot. Look like a particularly nasty indiscriminate type of ordinance. Makes a mockery of Israel's claims to be trying to avoid civillian casualties. Artillery is much more accurate than the unguided missiles that Hamas has been lobbing over by the thousands into Israel, while using innocents as human shields. Where's the mockery?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #16 January 13, 2009 incendiary rounds maybe air burst artillery possibly a mini gun lighting shit up seeing as how everything is in a relativly downward motion. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ndnk8aiQmM maybe an A 10 since the mini gun on it is a 30mm, if they were using incendiary rounds it would look fairly similarThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #17 January 13, 2009 Quote I I'll bet Lou Diamond knows exactly what that picture shows. My guess would be some type of anti-personel cluster bomb, from an artillery shell. They didn't have anything like that in the 70's, but maybe they do now. I'm just guessing. Max already provided the most likely answer. Unless one is privy to Israel’s current tactical munitions usage, one is not going to get a ‘more better’ answer. White phosphorus (WP) is considered an incendiary and obscurant. It is commonly used for smoke generation. Historically the US has stockpiled (& used) WP with 81mm mortars and M825 “Felt-Edge” 155mm projectiles. Use of WP specifically does not violate any international arms control agreement, e.g., it is not a chemical weapons under the CWC regardless of what some internet sites or pundits assert. There are interesting (imo) historical origins/intersections ... that don't decrease the confusion ... due to the Army's Chemical Warfare Service (before there was a Chemical Corps/74s ... iirc 74C is munitions), who were responsible historically for incendiary weapons and obscurants. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #18 January 13, 2009 the big thing that governs use of weapons is the Hague convention, covers a lot of that stuff. A lot of things about causing undo suffering which incendiaries could possibly fall under....kind of a grey area cause realistically you could argue a tracer round does the same thing just on a smaller scaleThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 January 13, 2009 Ok so they could be illumination .... just going off at a lower altitude... and the subsequent illumination by assholes on the ground burning adding to the smoke and light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #20 January 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteSee this type of picture alot. Look like a particularly nasty indiscriminate type of ordinance. Makes a mockery of Israel's claims to be trying to avoid civillian casualties. Artillery is much more accurate than the unguided missiles that Hamas has been lobbing over by the thousands into Israel, while using innocents as human shields. Where's the mockery? Although I have no time for the "Israel has no right to defend itself because the Palestinian children are in the way" argument, I do think this is an error on Israel's part both morally and from a PR standpoint. As you said earlier WP is indicated for strictly military targets (what munitions aren't). They have the power, and the the obligation, to achieve their goals with less collateral damage. They should pursue those options. The civilian victims of WP will be on display to the world for years to come. Remember the little Vietnamese girl running down the road with the napalm burns? I was ten years old when that TIME was published but the image was indelibly burned into my consciousness (mine and about a billion other people's). There is a picture of a little Palestinian girl out there waiting to be taken. When it is the effect upon world opinion will matter. The Israelis like to say world opinion doesn't matter, but it does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #21 January 13, 2009 Quotethe big thing that governs use of weapons is the Hague convention, covers a lot of that stuff. Yes [the 1899 & 1907 Hague Conventions ... there are other Hague Conventions that have little to do with munitions/warfare] ... & at the same time depends on what type of weapons are being considered and what is the use. Like you, in this case, I would speculate that issues being taken/posited w/r/t current events include use against civilians or claims of indiscriminate weapons use. Many parts of Hague Conventions and Laws of Land Warfare were incorporated as part of Geneva Conventions (& other documens). There's also the Geneva Protocol (not related to the Geneva Conventions) that deals with chemical (& biological) warfare. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #22 January 13, 2009 QuoteOk so they could be illumination .... just going off at a lower altitude... and the subsequent illumination by assholes on the ground burning adding to the smoke and light. Might be ... altho tactical usage is more likely for use as an obscurant to cover troop movements. It also has been useful for decreasing effectiveness of certain guided weapons. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #23 January 13, 2009 Illumination rounds are usually 1 big bright light, not many little flame looking things like in the picture. I think incendiaries are the more likely sourceThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #24 January 13, 2009 QuoteQuotethe big thing that governs use of weapons is the Hague convention, covers a lot of that stuff. Yes [the 1899 & 1907 Hague Conventions ... there are other Hague Conventions that have little to do with munitions/warfare] ... & at the same time depends on what type of weapons are being considered and what is the use. Like you, in this case, I would speculate that issues being taken/posited w/r/t current events include use against civilians or claims of indiscriminate weapons use. Many parts of Hague Conventions and Laws of Land Warfare were incorporated as part of Geneva Conventions (& other documens). There's also the Geneva Protocol (not related to the Geneva Conventions) that deals with chemical (& biological) warfare. VR/Marg you are absolutly right, i chose not to use the geneva convention in my comment because the bulk of it is used for treatment of POW, Non-combatants and civilians. The hague is more geared towards weapons and munitions so i just used it as a reference. we could go for days talking about both conventions and the ins and outs of both and how they complement each otherThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 January 13, 2009 QuoteWhite phosphorus (WP) is considered an incendiary and obscurant. It is commonly used for smoke generation. Historically the US has stockpiled (& used) WP with 81mm mortars and M825 “Felt-Edge” 155mm projectiles. It comes in hand grenade form too. You can't throw the thing far enough to get away from the blast radius, so you better have something to duck behind. They're great for melting down a cannon barrel that you want to render useless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
