Damn global warming.

[ChrisD 0]

Here we go again!

It's ok to make multiple threads/ posts on the same topic, but I can't point out by using the same response?

Like I said your accusing me of the same tactic that they are using but when it comes to my point I'm trying to make I should keep my mouth shut and not post duplicate post?

How about responding to what I am trying to illustrate rather than shifting the / my point I'm trying to make?

It's ok for some "diehard" individuals to flood this forum with their paid opinions and multiple posts all saying the same thing.

But when I point this out??????

Please take your observations to the same level with the rest of the paid lackeys....

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[livendive 8]

I suspect that I agree with your general sentiment, but your posts the last couple of days detract strongly from your argument. Logical and civil debate = good. Spamming = bad. Dishonest practices by the opposing side of the debate do not make similar actions by you any better. Rather, engaging in such tactics tarnishes the credibility of valid arguments made by others on your side of the issue, as we become guilty by association.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[ChrisD 0]

Again, my point is that I am engaging in the same tactic, except that I'm doing it all at once so that this in fact is my point.

If you can see this then good for you!

If you can't see this then perhaps you can dig a little deeper and actually begin to understand how you are being manipulated.

This is about the paid, constant onslaught tactic, that these middle of the road people employ....

It's not about any particular subject!

This is what the Beauregaurd and RJ Reynolds people did in the seventies when they gave out millions of dollars worth of free smokes in order to boost cigarette sales and how they fought the fight against Cancer.

This is the same thing Dupont and Monsanto did fighting DDT.

This is how the "Seven Sisters" created a monopoly that exsists till this day.

This is what the Waltons do to get the majority of
Americkans beliving that they actually do pay less...

So now you see the spamming? Why didn't you see it before?

Thanks for your comments, I think some of you are biginning to get some of this anyways????? I hope!
C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[Kennedy 0]

It's annoying. We wish you'd stop. You're not making any points or influencing anyone.

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[ChrisD 0]

I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[Stumpy 284]

ChrisD

I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

Didn't you get the memo? People on this forum know more than the 1000's of scientists studying it.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[turtlespeed 226]

Stumpy

***I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

Didn't you get the memo? People on this forum know more than the arent\'t subsidized by political action groups like the 1000's of scientists studying it.

FIFY
Well, except ChrisD, hes paid by a pundit to post multiple copies of one response.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Stumpy 284]

Nope - was just fine as it was.

And the majority of people in here claiming to know better than the scientists, are far more partisan than the scientists themselves.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[turtlespeed 226]

Stumpy

Nope - was just fine as it was.

And the majority of people in here claiming to know better than the scientists, are far more partisan than the scientists themselves.

The scientist's partisanship is all in their wallets.

If the hug a tree foundations need evidence that the trees are dying because of global warming, they get a report that says just that, embellished, and mis-leading. Then they revise their models in a few years. . . again.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ChrisD 0]

Stumpy

***I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

Didn't you get the memo? People on this forum know more than the 1000's of scientists studying it.


Thanks Stump
I get that kind of reply from many who have disengaged their brains. When all else fails, they genereally start with the "annoying them" type of thing. Then the next retort is something like:
"If you don't like what I have to say, you don't have to read it." Etc..

The problem is that this Global Warming and sea level rise thing is already here!

Same thing happened during the turn of the century...

the 15th Century that is when mankind, that is the rich and famous, kings and queens, and their croney dukes knights etc...>>>> started to massacre the victims of the bubonic plague or whichever one was current...problem was that by doing so they forgot they live in a larger ecosystem and their actions hastened their own demise!

Same thing now. Global Warming has become a retorical battle of those with money trying to save their wealth, at any cost. Kind of the same thing as when the Pinkerton Company was employed to "protect" the Coal miners.

This is why "those 1000s' ...of scientists," have given up.

This is why they are now working on what are called trigger points, to account for the change in public attitude as when crops start dying off as they are currently doing in many equatorial belt areas. A trigger point is when the public realizes that there is in fact basis for the disaster that awaits. In the case of the current crop failures, the trigger point has been reached, places like India and many Asian countries are now pumping millions into alternative seed crops and more resistant seed research. Millions will be spent by China this year as well as Vietnam on varitial seed blends and research.

Many Eastern/ Western heritage countries are pumping millions into the global building codes' changes in coastal areas. And when the public trigger point changes our government has plans to spend trillions on population changes.

Did you know that some organizations have already sprung up to STOP the great lakes pipeline project to feed water to the oglawala aquifire replenishment program?

Thats because the vast area where the "heartland" of americka grows its food is running dry!

And the plan to get water is already being stoped by some rich individuals that don't want the government messing with their greaat lakes.

Reminds me of the crotch brothers and the Cape wind project!

The cape wind project isn't about cheep electricity by the way! It is about starting a major wind alternative energy program, its' startup problems, costs, whether the project is feasable...


For the future, so that projects like this are in the pipeline before thay are needed and possible. Rather than when it's too late!

Do you understand the relationship between the rising energy costs, the exponetial rate of growth of worldwide populations, the increasing dependency on monoculture agriculture which is dependent upon big energy and the worldwide global warming and sea level rise issues?

Now you know why we have given up on the public and are formulating trigger point protocals...

You should see some of the trigger point protocals private research is providing the fat cats...

No wonder the Waltons built a 35 million dollar underground bunker....

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[turtlespeed 226]

ChrisD

******I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

Didn't you get the memo? People on this forum know more than the 1000's of scientists studying it.


Thanks Stump
I get that kind of reply from many who have disengaged their brains. When all else fails, they genereally start with the "annoying them" type of thing. Then the next retort is something like:
"If you don't like what I have to say, you don't have to read it." Etc..

The problem is that this Global Warming and sea level rise thing is already here!

Same thing happened during the turn of the century...

the 15th Century that is when mankind, that is the rich and famous, kings and queens, and their croney dukes knights etc...>>>> started to massacre the victims of the bubonic plague or whichever one was current...problem was that by doing so they forgot they live in a larger ecosystem and their actions hastened their own demise!

Same thing now. Global Warming has become a retorical battle of those with money trying to save their wealth, at any cost. Kind of the same thing as when the Pinkerton Company was employed to "protect" the Coal miners.

This is why "those 1000s' ...of scientists," have given up.

This is why they are now working on what are called trigger points, to account for the change in public attitude as when crops start dying off as they are currently doing in many equatorial belt areas. A trigger point is when the public realizes that there is in fact basis for the disaster that awaits. In the case of the current crop failures, the trigger point has been reached, places like India and many Asian countries are now pumping millions into alternative seed crops and more resistant seed research. Millions will be spent by China this year as well as Vietnam on varitial seed blends and research.

Many Eastern/ Western heritage countries are pumping millions into the global building codes' changes in coastal areas. And when the public trigger point changes our government has plans to spend trillions on population changes.

Did you know that some organizations have already sprung up to STOP the great lakes pipeline project to feed water to the oglawala aquifire replenishment program?

Thats because the vast area where the "heartland" of americka grows its food is running dry!

And the plan to get water is already being stoped by some rich individuals that don't want the government messing with their greaat lakes.

Reminds me of the crotch brothers and the Cape wind project!

The cape wind project isn't about cheep electricity by the way! It is about starting a major wind alternative energy program, its' startup problems, costs, whether the project is feasable...


For the future, so that projects like this are in the pipeline before thay are needed and possible. Rather than when it's too late!

Do you understand the relationship between the rising energy costs, the exponetial rate of growth of worldwide populations, the increasing dependency on monoculture agriculture which is dependent upon big energy and the worldwide global warming and sea level rise issues?

Now you know why we have given up on the public and are formulating trigger point protocals...

You should see some of the trigger point protocals private research is providing the fat cats...

No wonder the Waltons built a 35 million dollar underground bunker....

So, which employer gave you the information here to post in a middle of the road way?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ChrisD 0]

turtlespeed

******I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

Didn't you get the memo? People on this forum know more than the arent\'t subsidized by political action groups like the 1000's of scientists studying it.

FIFY
Well, except ChrisD, hes paid by a pundit to post multiple copies of one response.


No one is payin me anything slick!

And if you could for once, stay on topic, you would see what I'm trying to do. I'm not hiding my cheep trick at spaming at all. So what is the excuse of all of the other posts. Try to follow me here dude! Please count the number of posts that more than a few others have posted. Makes my 8 posts seem like some sort of inept attempt to illustrate my point dosent it?

Hundreds of other posts all in different threads,...

You ought to see some of the other forums, blogs, etc...MILLIONS of them! If not Trillions...


all bought and paid for by unemployed students with time on their hands and nothing to do,...

Some public service HU?

I post 8 times the same response V hundreds of the same comments in differing threads...

So what's your point?


DON'T SHOOT THE MESSANGER....

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[lawrocket 3]

ChrisD

I feel the same way with those of you who are pretending you know something about the Global Warming issue.

That's right. Because those who disagree with you don't know shit, right?

I disagree with dave. And bill and kallend and others on the issue. Thing is, I respect them and the fact that their viewpoints are based on some knowledge of the multiple subjects.

The Global Warming issue is about many things. Physics. Meteorology. Statistics. Oceanography. Astronomy. Hydrology. Geography. Geology. Biolgy. Economics. Sociology. Law. Politics. Various fields of engineering. Medicine. Public health. International relations. Chemistry.

You name it. My opinion is that you have reached the level of unconscious incompetence on the issue of global warming. You have absolutely no idea how much you don't know - as evidenced by your flippant and ill-considered statement quoted above. Perhaps in a couple of years you'll reach the level of conscious incompetence - that's where I am. Nearly a decade of reading and listening and studying and homework has given me the knowledge to see what I do not know.

Dave is attaining the level of conscious competence - I think he's already there. In another ten years he'll reach unconscious competence with climate science (kallend and bill are there with their respective subjects, and those subjects give them a far greater understanding of portions of the Global Warming issue).

Advice - take a few years and study the subject. Get outside the comfort of whatever clique you're in and associate with people whose opinions and kowledge that you can challenge and will challenge your knowledge and opinions.

Above all - don't EVER hold yourself as the arbiter of what is right, wrong, good, bad, knowledge or ignorance. Nobody voted you to assume that role. I sure as hell didn't. And jamming your thoughts and opinions down peoples throats is indicative of an unconsciously incompetent self-annointed messiah.

Cool your heels. Speak your mind. Participate in a reasoned debate. But don't tell me I merely "pretend" to "know something" about the topic. For you've then given away just how little you know about the subject and how little you know about the opponent.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[livendive 8]

Quote

Thanks for your comments, I think some of you are biginning to get some of this anyways

Although your enthusiasm is obvious, you sound pretty young. Speaking as someone with a fair amount of experience and education in environmental topics, suffice it to say that I don't find your posts the least bit enlightening. You're doing more to undermine your argument than to support it.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[turtlespeed 226]

livendive

Quote

Thanks for your comments, I think some of you are biginning to get some of this anyways

Although your enthusiasm is obvious, you sound pretty young. Speaking as someone with a fair amount of experience and education in environmental topics, suffice it to say that I don't find your posts the least bit enlightening. You're doing more to undermine your argument than to support it.

Blues,
Dave

Well said.

It seems that he is more an alarmist and an over-reactionist.

It is impossible to inhabit the Earth without making some sort of effect on the environment.

Its the amount of difference that is in question.

I personally don't believe it is anywhere even close to what the scientists of the 70s said and its not close to what the scientists of today are claiming. Everything then was an over reaction just as it is today.

It would be so much simpler if we could get unbiased information.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ChrisD 0]

"That's right. Because those who disagree with you don't know shit, right?"

That's right!

C

Just my opinion...

When you spend about 22 years going to various schools etc, then you might have something to say.

I find it enlightining that the various issues I raise, you choose to ignore, but yet another deflective peresonal attack is ok?

It's too bad that every time you open your mouth you point out that you are the final judge of the quality of the argument. You always reserve the "final word." You always point out that "others" have yet to convince you.

Always about the argument and the quality of that argument?

The second you point out, in multiple threads, about a set period of time that you yourself have defined, is bucking trends or it was a cool day in Alaska...

You in fact tell everyone that has dedicated a major part of their life your level of understanding and knowledge, or lack of it.

You in effect are asking for a debate, when your the judge, jury and executioner. Can't win, not about winning...

If you weree a student in one of my Chemistry classes and pulled this kind of stunt, you would be long gone....

Stop pretending you know what you are speaking about...

It is past insulting listining to your ill informed rants and retoric on a subject that you continually know nothing about.

The only reason that you persist is because so many think you have some sort of understanding and you go unchallanged here on this forum. If you were to attempt to speak at any of the Global forums or Conferences, you would be soundly escorted from the room...

I have raised a number of issues related to the quality of your arguments, most of them relate to retorical tricks and how to influence others. No comment from you...

I point out that at the curreent time many other countries are experiencing catastophic change, seed polination, lack of drinking water, sea level rise that is takeing place now. No comment from you...

I point out that Physics professors that have degrees and years of experience in semiconductors are held up to the public as experts, who have absolutly no experience or knowledge, nor anything remotly close to any enviornmental learning whatsoever, but the krotch brothers keep parading these same idiots in the public eye. Again, No comment from you....

You people keep pushing faulty research, public opinion research, and stuff from the National Enquireirerr as fact, perhaps the public might buy into that kind of crap, but don't bother to push it on me, because that instantly tells me your knowledge level, and again No comment from you...


This is like doing brain surgerey by email and or going thru ten different people who arre in the middle. In your wourld this is ok, in my wourld this is a waste of time speaking with a .

I'm sorry, not my job to educate you. But that's not going to stop me from trying to reach those out there in the world that actually might be able to think for themselves...

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rushmc 23]

To correctly educate, the teacher should be educated to begin with

Clearly you are not a teacher

Now, if you ask nicely, lawrocket might hand you back the platter that has your ass on it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]hen you spend about 22 years going to various schools etc, then you might have something to say.

[ChrisD 0]

The IPCC is or as of this writing released its 5 year update. That's an organization funded by the UN, NATO, and a few others....

The latest evidence is dammning...

thats conclusive that man has and is contributing to GLOBAL Warming on an unprecedented scale.

The IPCC has shown that most of the current Climate Models are "Considerabley" underestimated.

I just wanted to give you Ostrachices a heads up so that you can come up with your latest Krotch brothers, oil clonglomerate funded babble....and once again show us your ignorance and short sighted monkey see monkey do view points....

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[turtlespeed 226]

LOl

What's up with that?

and this? "Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer"

lol - I like how he says that it is a tragedy that they can't explain the lack of global warming.

Of course you can't.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[lawrocket 3]

Actually, the IPCC authors are meeting with politicians right now in Stockholm to smooth out the summary of the IPCC AR5. It's a pretty slow process. Note: it's headed by a guy with a Ph.D. in industrial engineering and economics - not a climate scientist. Therefore, as I understand your prior position, not to be trusted.

My predictions for the IPCC? Primarily, they will place a higher degree of certainty that humans are causing climate change. This will be accompanied by including a greater uncertainty with regard to projections. Put simply, they'll say they are more certain than ever, except for the uncertainties, about which we are certainly certain are robust certainties well within the range of uncertainties.

Next prediction: they will minimize a 17 year trend as being insignificant, even though 15 years has been the longstanding threshold for significance.

Next prediction: observational data will be minimized in favor of computer preojections. Again.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

Here it is...
[Url]http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf[/url]

lawrocket

My predictions for the IPCC? Primarily, they will place a higher degree of certainty that humans are causing climate change. This will be accompanied by including a greater uncertainty with regard to projections. Put simply, they'll say they are more certain than ever, except for the uncertainties, about which we are certainly certain are robust certainties well within the range of uncertainties.

Score one for me. The report says global warming is “unequivocal,” and since the 1950’s it’s “extremely likely” that human activities have been the dominant cause of the temperature rise.

Also the IPCC gave a range of .5 degrees of warming up to, I think I read, 4.8 degrees of warming by 2100, depending on what we feed the climate. To compare, it's like predicting that my grandkids will likely weigh somewhere between 50 and 480 pounds!!!!!

[Reply]Next prediction: they will minimize a 17 year trend as being insignificant, even though 15 years has been the longstanding threshold for significance.

[ChrisD 0]

"Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed
changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed,
the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of
greenhouse gases have increased"


Over 250 very well educated individuals with out any vested interest have come to the following conclusion....

And you dismiss this by saying that they "lie."

Who the fuck are you???
C


Go eat some more doughnuts....

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rushmc 23]

I agree but
Their vested interest is their need/want of government grant dollars

lawrocket nailed it
Twisted conclusions and lies to make those like you happy

Trrrrruuuuuuuuueeeeee science indeed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

lawrocket

Actually, the IPCC authors are meeting with politicians right now in Stockholm to smooth out the summary of the IPCC AR5. It's a pretty slow process. Note: it's headed by a guy with a Ph.D. in industrial engineering and economics - not a climate scientist. Therefore, as I understand your prior position, not to be trusted.

My predictions for the IPCC? Primarily, they will place a higher degree of certainty that humans are causing climate change. This will be accompanied by including a greater uncertainty with regard to projections. Put simply, they'll say they are more certain than ever, except for the uncertainties, about which we are certainly certain are robust certainties well within the range of uncertainties.

Next prediction: they will minimize a 17 year trend as being insignificant, even though 15 years has been the longstanding threshold for significance.

Next prediction: observational data will be minimized in favor of computer preojections. Again.

Hold on there. If the PhD says that the world in on a rollercoaster to hell because of global warming, then he can be trusted . . . anything else and he may as well be pissing air.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun