cliffwhite 0 #1 January 4, 2009 Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. Blues Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 4, 2009 I suspect the meat of the question is would you be willing to kill the citizens who are not giving them up willingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #3 January 4, 2009 QuoteI suspect the meat of the question is would you be willing to kill the citizens who are not giving them up willingly.I'm not active. BUT. A good question. And I see it coming down the road. Hopefully THE PEOPLE will man up and not be the bunch of sheep they normally are. I can't wait to hear these answers. But again. There are under orders and all that crap.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #4 January 4, 2009 QuoteI suspect the meat of the question is would you be willing to kill the citizens who are not giving them up willingly. I presume that would be a part of the enforcement process . Are you in the military Andy? Blues Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #5 January 4, 2009 i don't think active duty military can be legally used used to quell civil unrest. i'm not sure about the national guard. at any rate, if that were to happen, things would be seriously fucked up already and one would need to then pick a side. for me, the order to take firearms from civilians by force from house to house would likely mean that the country i signed up to defend no longer existed so that could make the choise a little easier. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 January 4, 2009 While the new Admin is likely to be more gun controlly than the previous one, I highly doubt there will be a house to house search any time soon. We have had gun control in Canada for almost forty years, but no house to house searches yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteI suspect the meat of the question is would you be willing to kill the citizens who are not giving them up willingly. I presume that would be a part of the enforcement process . Are you in the military Andy? Blues Cliff No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #8 January 4, 2009 Quotei don't think active duty military can be legally used used to quell civil unrest. _________________________________________________ Oh!! I see , you are thinking "possee commatatis" and those type Bill of Rights restrictions, aren't you Trophy Husband Do you realize that at least one US Army Brigade has been redeployed from Iraq for exactly that duty? So I guess now is the time to "pick a side". Tough choice? Blues, Cliff Yeah , I know my latin spelling sucks.2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #9 January 4, 2009 Quotei don't think active duty military can be legally used used to quell civil unrest. i'm not sure about the national guard active duty military cannot operate against us citizens. that being said, every command i recieve, i have the choice to obey... if i find it unlawfull... i will not obey it and i cannot be punished for it. i am active duty us army, and if they told me to forceably remove weapons from a us citizens house or on us ground... i will not obey unless there are extreme circumstances and i am made fully aware of the entire situation"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #10 January 4, 2009 active duty military cannot operate against us citizens. _____________________________________________________ Do you read "Army Times" theonlyski? Blues , Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #11 January 4, 2009 not recently, havnt been in the mood to. why?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #12 January 4, 2009 Quotenot recently, havnt been in the mood to. why? Seems that they recently reported on the redeployment of a brigade from Iraq for exactly that mission(civil unrest), theonlyski. Is that what you signed up for? Quelling civil unrest stateside? Would you do so if ordered? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #13 January 4, 2009 civil unrest where? what is the base of the unrest? i just read a couple articles on this... honestly, if my boss told me to use lethal force on another american who is exersizing thier right to peacefull protest, i would refuse the order. from what it LOOKS like, it is more of a training mission than an actual real life mission. i think it is completely wrong, and i hope that enough support goes to stopping it from happening. active duty is not ment for this, thats what the CG and NG are FOR!!! it also doesnt appear to say that the brigade was coming back from iraq specifically for this reason, it would be more likely that they were coming home anyway, and this is just more training."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #14 January 4, 2009 honestly, if my boss told me to use lethal force on another american who is exersizing thier right to peacefull protest, i would refuse the order. ___________________________________________________ Here's a question for you theonlyski, If your boss told you to use lethal force on an Iraqi in Iraq, who is exercising their Right to peaceful protest, would you refuse the order ? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #15 January 4, 2009 Quote honestly, if my boss told me to use lethal force on another american who is exersizing thier right to peacefull protest, i would refuse the order. ___________________________________________________ Here's a question for you theonlyski, If your boss told you to use lethal force on an Iraqi in Iraq, who is exercising their Right to peaceful protest, would you refuse the order ? Blues, Cliff yes, i would reason being: they have NOT given me reason to fear for my life at that point... if it is peaceful, then it is peaceful. I understand that it may turn at any moment and i wouldnt let my guard down now, if they produce a gun and fire it at me, or any of my fellow soldiers, thats a dead man we have an escalation of force as part of the RoE. first you show that you will shoot, fire a warning shot, shoot to disable (vehicle), shoot to kill there is a reason we are taught that. now, using less than lethal approach (ie OC or tear gas) i would have less problems deploying those, due to the non lethal effects. having experienced both first hand, i can assure you, almost everybody i know and can think of would get the hell away after being exposed to those."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #16 January 4, 2009 Were I in the military I would disobey such an order both for my safety and because of my convictions. If I found myself on the other side of the situation, well......Charlton Heston said it best....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #17 January 4, 2009 Quote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #18 January 4, 2009 yes, i would reason being: they have NOT given me reason to fear for my life at that point... ___________________________________________________ theonlyski, I don't know whether or not you've been deployed to either Afghanistan or Iraq but if you have; did you have reason to "fear for your life" from any of the citizens of those countries prior to your arrival there? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #19 January 4, 2009 i have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... statistically speaking most of the people there support us, and want us to help them... there is the one apple that spoils the bunch. (s)he is the one that demands the special attention. i go into every situation ready for the 'shit to hit the fan' but i dont go around wanting to shoot people just because i didnt like the look in thier eye. if i feel that they are up to no good, i will make distance between them and us, but i wouldnt just outright shoot them."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #20 January 4, 2009 Quotei have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #21 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote i have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff Secure the oil infrastructre.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #22 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #23 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert.Troll or not. A very good question.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #24 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuotei have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff doesnt matter, and has nothing to do with your origional post. im not going to start answering whatever questions you may have. but i do wonder what your reasoning for posting about this in 2 diffrent threads is?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #25 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. 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theonlyski 8 #9 January 4, 2009 Quotei don't think active duty military can be legally used used to quell civil unrest. i'm not sure about the national guard active duty military cannot operate against us citizens. that being said, every command i recieve, i have the choice to obey... if i find it unlawfull... i will not obey it and i cannot be punished for it. i am active duty us army, and if they told me to forceably remove weapons from a us citizens house or on us ground... i will not obey unless there are extreme circumstances and i am made fully aware of the entire situation"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #10 January 4, 2009 active duty military cannot operate against us citizens. _____________________________________________________ Do you read "Army Times" theonlyski? Blues , Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #11 January 4, 2009 not recently, havnt been in the mood to. why?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #12 January 4, 2009 Quotenot recently, havnt been in the mood to. why? Seems that they recently reported on the redeployment of a brigade from Iraq for exactly that mission(civil unrest), theonlyski. Is that what you signed up for? Quelling civil unrest stateside? Would you do so if ordered? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #13 January 4, 2009 civil unrest where? what is the base of the unrest? i just read a couple articles on this... honestly, if my boss told me to use lethal force on another american who is exersizing thier right to peacefull protest, i would refuse the order. from what it LOOKS like, it is more of a training mission than an actual real life mission. i think it is completely wrong, and i hope that enough support goes to stopping it from happening. active duty is not ment for this, thats what the CG and NG are FOR!!! it also doesnt appear to say that the brigade was coming back from iraq specifically for this reason, it would be more likely that they were coming home anyway, and this is just more training."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #14 January 4, 2009 honestly, if my boss told me to use lethal force on another american who is exersizing thier right to peacefull protest, i would refuse the order. ___________________________________________________ Here's a question for you theonlyski, If your boss told you to use lethal force on an Iraqi in Iraq, who is exercising their Right to peaceful protest, would you refuse the order ? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #15 January 4, 2009 Quote honestly, if my boss told me to use lethal force on another american who is exersizing thier right to peacefull protest, i would refuse the order. ___________________________________________________ Here's a question for you theonlyski, If your boss told you to use lethal force on an Iraqi in Iraq, who is exercising their Right to peaceful protest, would you refuse the order ? Blues, Cliff yes, i would reason being: they have NOT given me reason to fear for my life at that point... if it is peaceful, then it is peaceful. I understand that it may turn at any moment and i wouldnt let my guard down now, if they produce a gun and fire it at me, or any of my fellow soldiers, thats a dead man we have an escalation of force as part of the RoE. first you show that you will shoot, fire a warning shot, shoot to disable (vehicle), shoot to kill there is a reason we are taught that. now, using less than lethal approach (ie OC or tear gas) i would have less problems deploying those, due to the non lethal effects. having experienced both first hand, i can assure you, almost everybody i know and can think of would get the hell away after being exposed to those."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #16 January 4, 2009 Were I in the military I would disobey such an order both for my safety and because of my convictions. If I found myself on the other side of the situation, well......Charlton Heston said it best....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #17 January 4, 2009 Quote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #18 January 4, 2009 yes, i would reason being: they have NOT given me reason to fear for my life at that point... ___________________________________________________ theonlyski, I don't know whether or not you've been deployed to either Afghanistan or Iraq but if you have; did you have reason to "fear for your life" from any of the citizens of those countries prior to your arrival there? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #19 January 4, 2009 i have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... statistically speaking most of the people there support us, and want us to help them... there is the one apple that spoils the bunch. (s)he is the one that demands the special attention. i go into every situation ready for the 'shit to hit the fan' but i dont go around wanting to shoot people just because i didnt like the look in thier eye. if i feel that they are up to no good, i will make distance between them and us, but i wouldnt just outright shoot them."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #20 January 4, 2009 Quotei have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #21 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote i have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff Secure the oil infrastructre.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #22 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #23 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert.Troll or not. A very good question.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #24 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuotei have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff doesnt matter, and has nothing to do with your origional post. im not going to start answering whatever questions you may have. but i do wonder what your reasoning for posting about this in 2 diffrent threads is?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #25 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert. I like trolls. They taste like chicken. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
akarunway 1 #21 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote i have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff Secure the oil infrastructre.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #22 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #23 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert.Troll or not. A very good question.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #24 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuotei have been deployed to several countries, iraq being one of them and no, i had no reason to fear for my life from anybody... __________________________________________________ So ,when ordered to Iraq what was the mission? Blues , Cliff doesnt matter, and has nothing to do with your origional post. im not going to start answering whatever questions you may have. but i do wonder what your reasoning for posting about this in 2 diffrent threads is?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #25 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert. I like trolls. They taste like chicken. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Belgian_Draft 0 #25 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Just curious, If ordered to the US to quell civil unrest could you/would you enforce an order to take all fire arms ,house to house,from civilians. So who is this Cliff White who just registered, and has only posted two threads asking if soldiers and cops would confiscate weapons? I suspect few can really answer until the situation presents itself. No shit. Troll alert. I like trolls. They taste like chicken. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
