JohnRich 4 #1 January 2, 2009 News:Bombs in Aspen shut down town A one-time resident of this city who had been bitter over its transformation into a playground for the rich left four gift-wrapped bombs downtown in a bank-robbery attempt, turning New Year's Eve celebrations into a mass evacuation, police said. The dangerous bombs were made of gasoline and cell phone parts and came with notes warning of "mass death". Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090101/ap_on_re_us/aspen_evacuations Gosh, he had guns he could have used to kill people, but instead he chose to use gasoline to try and commit mayhem. We obviously need some more gasoline-control laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #2 January 2, 2009 Criminalize petroleum and before long only criminals will have it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #3 January 2, 2009 Quote News:Bombs in Aspen shut down town A one-time resident of this city who had been bitter over its transformation into a playground for the rich left four gift-wrapped bombs downtown in a bank-robbery attempt, turning New Year's Eve celebrations into a mass evacuation, police said. The dangerous bombs were made of gasoline and cell phone parts and came with notes warning of "mass death". Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090101/ap_on_re_us/aspen_evacuations Gosh, he had guns he could have used to kill people, but instead he chose to use gasoline to try and commit mayhem. We obviously need some more gasoline-control laws. Just so we know the relative level of risk, can you compare the number of murders committed with gasoline in 2008 to those committed with guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 January 2, 2009 Quote Gosh, he had guns he could have used to kill people, but instead he chose to use gasoline to try and commit mayhem. We obviously need some more gasoline-control laws. Six months ago he wouldn't have been able to afford the gasoline, so he would have used guns."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 January 2, 2009 Quote Just so we know the relative level of risk, can you compare the number of murders committed with gasoline in 2008 to those committed with guns? How many people have to die from a particular substance before you start caring about them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #6 January 2, 2009 Quote Criminalize petroleum and before long only criminals will have it. Yes....I like Yogi-isms too. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #7 January 2, 2009 Quote Quote Just so we know the relative level of risk, can you compare the number of murders committed with gasoline in 2008 to those committed with guns? How many people have to die from a particular substance before you start caring about them? Just trying to find the scope of the problem. I don't read about many drive-by gasolinings, I expect its just the liberal media suppressing the stories, like they suppress the drive-by drowning murders committed with swimming pools. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #8 January 2, 2009 So death is acceptable so long as it isn't criminal in nature? Criminals do and will willingly break laws, so new laws probably won't help much. Or is it that death is acceptable so long as it happens in some fashion that certain people approve of? Abortion? Suicide? Death penalty? Drowning? Auto accidents? Aircraft crashes? War? (so long as you approve of the cause anyway?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 January 2, 2009 Exactly - they don't seem to care as much about the murders as they do about what TOOL the criminal used to commit it. After all, there's no lobbyist money to be made in a new law to say "murder is bad, m'kay".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #10 January 2, 2009 Quote So death is acceptable so long as it isn't criminal in nature? Criminals do and will willingly break laws, so new laws probably won't help much. Or is it that death is acceptable so long as it happens in some fashion that certain people approve of? Abortion? Suicide? Death penalty? Drowning? Auto accidents? Aircraft crashes? War? (so long as you approve of the cause anyway?) This thread is about a CRIMINAL use of gasoline, NOT about accidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #11 January 2, 2009 Exactly why I said what I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #12 January 2, 2009 Quote Exactly why I said what I did. Gasoline is plenty regulated as far as accidents are concerned. Mucho rules on refining, distribution, storage, pumps, pumping, and vehicle gas tanks. The fact is, this is REALLY a gun thread, and criminal use of guns for murder far exceeds the criminal use of gasoline, so the premise of the entire thread is dumb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 January 2, 2009 Quote The fact is, this is REALLY a gun thread, and criminal use of guns for murder far exceeds the criminal use of gasoline, so the premise of the entire thread is dumb. It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. And yet, you don't hear anyone in the States hollering for more knife control... I guess it doesn't really count unless you're SHOT to death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #14 January 2, 2009 Much like every anti-gun thread. We have existing regulations on the manufacture, distribution, modification, storage, distribution, licensing, and use of weapons - at least in my home state. We're good here. It's impossible to weed out the loonies in society. We're unable to do it with drugs, organized crime, gang violence, drunk driving, dead-beat parents, violent crime, violence on children. What makes guns so different? There's a reason we call criminals "criminals". That doesn't appear to be changing in the American society although we continually increase the number of people in prisons.Limiting my access to guns is not going to help this problem. Legislation does not solve societal issues IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #15 January 2, 2009 Quote Quote The fact is, this is REALLY a gun thread, and criminal use of guns for murder far exceeds the criminal use of gasoline, so the premise of the entire thread is dumb. It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. . What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 January 2, 2009 Quote Quote It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. My point was in sentence #1. I don't know what the heck country comparisons have to do with anything. The fact is, knives are used quite often to commit murder. Regardless of what country you look at. Why is everyone so unconcerned about knives used in crime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #17 January 2, 2009 Quote Quote Quote It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. My point was in sentence #1. I don't know what the heck country comparisons have to do with anything. OK, why did you bring up England then? Quote The fact is, knives are used quite often to commit murder. Regardless of what country you look at. Why is everyone so unconcerned about knives used in crime? I think you've answered that for us. Knives, gasoline and swimming pools combined are small potatoes in the criminal enterprise when compared with guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #18 January 3, 2009 I'm willing to guess when you look at the numbers, it might be close in percentages. Personally I have more guns than pools.I'm much more concerned with heart disease myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 January 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. My point was in sentence #1. I don't know what the heck country comparisons have to do with anything. OK, why did you bring up England then? Quote The fact is, knives are used quite often to commit murder. Regardless of what country you look at. Why is everyone so unconcerned about knives used in crime? I think you've answered that for us. Knives, gasoline and swimming pools combined are small potatoes in the criminal enterprise when compared with guns. Better yet, just do a little looking aroung the intenet and come back and tell us, buy country if you like, what material object causes (or is involved in) the most deaths. Please, do that for us will ya?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #20 January 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. My point was in sentence #1. I don't know what the heck country comparisons have to do with anything. OK, why did you bring up England then? Quote The fact is, knives are used quite often to commit murder. Regardless of what country you look at. Why is everyone so unconcerned about knives used in crime? I think you've answered that for us. Knives, gasoline and swimming pools combined are small potatoes in the criminal enterprise when compared with guns. Better yet, just do a little looking aroung the intenet and come back and tell us, buy country if you like, what material object causes (or is involved in) the most deaths. Please, do that for us will ya? If you have a point to make, make it. This thread is about a criminal act. Please try to stick to the topic. What object causes most deaths at the hands of criminals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #21 January 3, 2009 That's easy. It's lack of oxygen to the brain. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 January 3, 2009 What object causes most deaths at the hands of criminals? Please, answer/research your own question. I think you might be surprised"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 January 3, 2009 Quote That's easy. It's lack of oxygen to the brain. Nnnooooo, that cant be. There are many (mostly here) who say I survive that evey day!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 January 3, 2009 Quote What object causes most deaths at the hands of criminals? Objects don't cause anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #25 January 3, 2009 Quote Quote What object causes most deaths at the hands of criminals? Objects don't cause anything.Nail on headI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nnnooooo, that cant be. There are many (mostly here) who say I survive that evey day!!
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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