Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

[JohnRich 4]

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Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

[BIGUN 1,521]

My question would be; is this really about the increase in CCW/P or is it about the reduction in the ratio of police officers per capita across the nation (X per 10,000 people in 2007 vs. Y per 10,000 in 2008)? There might just be fewer targets.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[kelpdiver 2]

I would expect fewer cops to mean cops at greater risk. More likely to patrol without backup, and the same number patrolling the problem areas, with the better areas getting minimal policing.

We certainly didn't make a great reduction over the last year, so it's unlikely to be that.

[akarunway 1]

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Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

To bad this cop wasn't one of em. http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Phoenix-officer-forbids-neighbor-to-get-cat-PD/uSDXo0vALEiuKVsvSvFUfA.cspx

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Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

To bad this cop wasn't one of em. http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Phoenix-officer-forbids-neighbor-to-get-cat-PD/uSDXo0vALEiuKVsvSvFUfA.cspx

Why on earth would you ever wish a police officer to be killed? That is pretty freakin' sick.
It was a cat in a tree. They come down when they want to come down. Even the Humane Society said the cat was in no danger.

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[JohnRich 4]

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My question would be; is this really about the increase in CCW/P or is it about the reduction in the ratio of police officers per capita across the nation (X per 10,000 people in 2007 vs. Y per 10,000 in 2008)? There might just be fewer targets.

That does not seem to be the case.

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"Largely due to the increased use of soft body armor, better training and improved equipment, police deaths have been on the decline for the past two decades. During the 1980’s we averaged 187 officer fatalities each year, and in the 1990’s we averaged 153. At the same time that deaths were declining, the number of law enforcement officers in our nation grew substantially from roughly 315,000 officers in 1970 to an estimated 740,000 serving today."

Source: http://www.leoaffairs.info/faces/faces_oct_2003c.htm

So, there are more cops than ever on the street. And more armed citizens than ever on the street. According to the gun-control folks, this would be a recipe for disaster, because they believe that every armed citizen is just itchin' to shoot someone. And yet, dramatically fewer people, both citizens and cops, are being shot to death. More guns - less crime.

Facts trump the anti-gun fear-mongering of the gun-control folks.

[kelpdiver 2]

The source doesn't talk about non fatal shootings. It may be that cops are surviving the same number of shootings at a higher rate thanks to better medical attention.

This is seen in Iraq, where the ratio of wounded to dead is much higher than it was in past wars.

[livendive 8]

How many died from cholesterol related disease? Is it possible that banning donuts would save more cops than banning guns?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Andy9o8 3]

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The source doesn't talk about non fatal shootings. It may be that cops are surviving the same number of shootings at a higher rate thanks to better medical attention.

This is seen in Iraq, where the ratio of wounded to dead is much higher than it was in past wars.

Would body armor not also be a factor?

[skycop 0]

The answer would be yes and no.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/169587.pdf

(don't know how to make it clicky)

It's a lengthy report but covers the bases.

In answer to John's original post, the vast majority of line cops favor CCDW. It's administrators and Chiefs that bark the loudest against it.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Gene03 0]

Why do cat owners freak out over their cat "stuck in a tree"?

How many cat skeletons do you see in trees anyway?

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Why do cat owners freak out over their cat "stuck in a tree"?

How many cat skeletons do you see in trees anyway?

None. The maggots eat the flesh, birds use the fur for nests, the skin dries up and blows away, and mice eat the bones.
So, you see, cats always come down.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

To bad this cop wasn't one of em. http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Phoenix-officer-forbids-neighbor-to-get-cat-PD/uSDXo0vALEiuKVsvSvFUfA.cspx

Why on earth would you ever wish a police officer to be killed? That is pretty freakin' sick.
It was a cat in a tree. They come down when they want to come down. Even the Humane Society said the cat was in no danger.

It was sarcasm you .... I won't go there. BUT. I'd rather see a human die than an animal anyday. Less I'm going to eat it. Human beings SUCK. AND I HATE COPS. GET MY DRIFT?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[skycop 0]

Why do cat owners freak out over their cat "stuck in a tree"? ***

It's funny, we had a cat in tree many years ago, the Fire Department tried, I repeat, TRIED to get that thing out of the tree. The tree was at least 30' high. It scratched the shit of the fine Fireman who attempted to get it. We (the cops) and Fire Dept. said we weren't going to try any more and the cat will come down when it's ready.

The friggin' outcry was incredible, they even posted signs around the area saying we didn't care and such over two or three days. I'm a multiple cat owner and I know the thing will come down when it's hungry enough.

After two or three days one of our burliest, gruff, pissed-off fireman got a pair of long-shoreman gloves and grabbed that friggin' cat as hard as he could. The cat absolutely freaked, sounded like six cats fighting in an alley.It must have flipped in his hands two or three times down the ladder. The fireman climbs down and throws the cat at it's owner, "here's your goddamn cat", it proceeded to bite and scratch the owner. I was laughing so hard I was crying.

I KNOW as a cat lover that cats are stubborn but, when they get hungry enough they will come down.
Enough misplaced emotion and the rescuers are the bad guys.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[AggieDave 6]

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Is it possible that banning donuts would save more cops than banning guns?

Donuts, seriously, that's way off base.

Now if you had said Kolaches, then I would be 100% on board with your ideas.

Seriously, though, departments all across the nation are stressed to maximum due to a severe shortage of officers. The small numbers of officers on patrol in many cities would absolutely shock many citizens.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

To bad this cop wasn't one of em. http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Phoenix-officer-forbids-neighbor-to-get-cat-PD/uSDXo0vALEiuKVsvSvFUfA.cspx

Why on earth would you ever wish a police officer to be killed? That is pretty freakin' sick.
It was a cat in a tree. They come down when they want to come down. Even the Humane Society said the cat was in no danger.

It was sarcasm you .... I won't go there. BUT. I'd rather see a human die than an animal anyday. Less I'm going to eat it. Human beings SUCK. AND I HATE COPS. GET MY DRIFT?

No, i don't get your drift.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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News:

Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

Great news, cops have a tough job to do.
One of the reasons quoted was the record number of people in prison, i guess if you are locked up you cant go round shooting cops.
If we could come up with ways of preventing guns getting into the wrong hands it would help even more.
I don't think concealed carry makes any difference, but the relative ease which you can obtain a weapon does. Shame the NRA types can't get their heads out of the ground and work to find a way to monitor and control the firearm ownership with the aim of reducing criminal ownership, it would cut the deaths even more. I don't buy the BS about government wanting to take guns away from law abiding folks, the right to own arms is way more secure than ever with Heller.

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If we could come up with ways of preventing guns getting into the wrong hands it would help even more.

How's that drug prohibition working out for ya - do you really think that the criminals can't get guns the same way?

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I don't think concealed carry makes any difference, but the relative ease which you can obtain a weapon does.

Please show the numbers of criminals that bought their guns at a gun shop, thanks.

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Shame the NRA types can't get their heads out of the ground and work to find a way to monitor and control the firearm ownership with the aim of reducing criminal ownership, it would cut the deaths even more.

Shame that the Brady bunch can't get their heads out of the ground and advocate stiffer sentencing for use of a a gun during a crime (like the NRA does) and quit trying to pass laws that do nothing to prevent criminal possession.

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I don't buy the BS about government wanting to take guns away from law abiding folks, the right to own arms is way more secure than ever with Heller.

Then you're living in a fantasy world - I refer you back to the AWB 94, which the Dems want to bring back, as well as Roberti-Roos in California and the NYC and Chicago bans.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Andy9o8 3]

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I refer you back to the AWB 94

You mean these guys? Were they still out in '94?

http://www.klcxfm.com/images/Average-White-Band_AWB.jpg

[mnealtx 0]

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I refer you back to the AWB 94

You mean these guys? Were they still out in '94?

http://www.klcxfm.com/images/Average-White-Band_AWB.jpg

Smartass!!!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Skyrad 0]

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Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008

"2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low...

"This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..."

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229

Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets?

Gee, I guess that's not happening after all.

What a disapointing thread.

I saw it and thought, 'thats great, John has made a thread to honour all the fallen Law Inforcment Officers that died this year to make the US a safer place.'

Instead I find a ego based I told you so thread. What a pity.

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If we could come up with ways of preventing guns getting into the wrong hands it would help even more.

How's that drug prohibition working out for ya - do you really think that the criminals can't get guns the same way?

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I don't think concealed carry makes any difference, but the relative ease which you can obtain a weapon does.

Please show the numbers of criminals that bought their guns at a gun shop, thanks.

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Shame the NRA types can't get their heads out of the ground and work to find a way to monitor and control the firearm ownership with the aim of reducing criminal ownership, it would cut the deaths even more.

Shame that the Brady bunch can't get their heads out of the ground and advocate stiffer sentencing for use of a a gun during a crime (like the NRA does) and quit trying to pass laws that do nothing to prevent criminal possession.

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I don't buy the BS about government wanting to take guns away from law abiding folks, the right to own arms is way more secure than ever with Heller.

Then you're living in a fantasy world - I refer you back to the AWB 94, which the Dems want to bring back, as well as Roberti-Roos in California and the NYC and Chicago bans.

As I said, it is a shame the NRA types can't get their heads out of the ground.
Thanks for illustrating my point.

[mnealtx 0]

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Thanks for illustrating my point.

So in other words, you have no rebuttal to the facts I provided, just rhetoric - gotcha.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Thanks for illustrating my point.

So in other words, you have no rebuttal to the facts I provided, just rhetoric - gotcha.

Facts? didn't see any, discussing this with you is a waste of time.
The only thing I believe is that we can do something stem the supply of illegal weapons to criminals and south America, I would like to discuss what we could do, but your mind is closed so that wont happen.

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If we could come up with ways of preventing guns getting into the wrong hands it would help even more.

How's that drug prohibition working out for ya - do you really think that the criminals can't get guns the same way?

If we could keep criminals from getting guns in the same way, I think that would qualify as "preventing guns getting into the wrong hands." I'm on your side on most gun issues, but can still emphatically agree that keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is an admirable goal.

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I don't think concealed carry makes any difference, but the relative ease which you can obtain a weapon does.

Please show the numbers of criminals that bought their guns at a gun shop, thanks.

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Did I miss something? I didn't notice where he said anything about gun shops. Personally, I think gun control enforcement should focus less on gun shops/shows and more on black market trading of guns. That would reduce the ease with which criminals can obtain guns, and thus could reduce the number of criminals who possess guns.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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