Who was Jesus? Vote now...

[FallingOsh 0]

As far as the OP goes, I voted for 4 out of 5.

He was a Jewish preacher, a mortal man, the Son of God, and God in human form.

Even if you're not a Christian, I find it hard to believe some don't think He existed at all.

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[Hausse 0]

I voted for never existed cause "mentally ill rambler who caught the attention of a primitive and superstitious population who was susceptible to messianic figures due to their religious background combined with their occupied status."
Isn't an option.

[feuergnom 29]

i remember seein jesus once

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[FallingOsh 0]

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I voted for never existed cause "mentally ill rambler who caught the attention of a primitive and superstitious population who was susceptible to messianic figures due to their religious background combined with their occupied status."
Isn't an option.

For that to be true, he would still have to existed.

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[Skyrad 0]

Hi, Thanks for the response, I don't think you sound like a fanatic. You sound like a born again/born form above Christian. In response to:

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If Christians are wrong, then when we all die, it is just over, no harm, no foul. But if Christians are right, it's going to be awful hot for unbelievers.

I'd ask as another poster has, what f the other religions are correct (Thinking about the Jews here in particular) if they are right (and Jesus was of course a Jew himself who claimed that he had not come to change the laws of Mosses) then by worshiping Jesus as a God then God isn't going to be happy with Christians at all I'd think in which case it could be you with flames lapping at your backside in the afterlife. Of course I understand that you completely believe that you are correct and that its the plain truth and part of me admires that, however have you or do you ever question your beliefs or the evidence on which you base them? I ask this with respect and curiosity.

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[prodiver913 0]

seriously, watch Zeitgeist online. It will tell you exactly who he was. It is purely astrological. He existed but was not the son of god. The entire life of Jesus was a plagiarized story that had happened many times before. The idea of needing to be saved by a savior is not inherent to humanity. it's a condition created by man do to the historical evolution of war, famine, etc... Pretty much we stopped being hunter-gatherers around 12,000 B.C, started fucking up this planet with agriculture, sedentary civilization, war, disease, global conquest, famine, etc. and needed help because we deny the fact that we're responsible for our own actions. It's an idea. Different religions and faiths evolved in different areas at different rates due to geographical isolation. If there were truly a heaven or hell there would only be one way (that was globally agreed upon) and shit wouldn't be so obscured and involve so much guesswork.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

[FallingOsh 0]

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Of course I understand that you completely believe that you are correct and that its the plain truth and part of me admires that, however have you or do you ever question your beliefs or the evidence on which you base them? I ask this with respect and curiosity.

Personally, I think it's healthy to research and study the origins of my beliefs. I don't think there is scientfic evidence that a God exsists and I don't think there ever will be. That's why it's called faith, in any religion. What I find interesting is some people's definition of evidence. The science that so many base their beliefs upon seems to change daily. The book that I base my beliefs upon has remained constant since it was written. The question, imo, is in how you define the evidence you're looking for.

An example: My father lost his job and was getting to the end of his emergency funds. While laying on the couch one day saying some casual prayers for help, he heard the mailman go by. When he got the mail, there was a check sent from the church. Now some would call that coincidence. I would call that evidence. I know the reality is that someone in the church probably heard about his financial situation and intiated the check. However, without the church and without his prayer, what would be the odds of a check just appearing in the mailbox?

Like I said, the questions is how you define the evidence you seek.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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But if Christians are right, it's going to be awful hot for unbelievers. Everybody will live forever, just some will live in one place, and some in the other.

So the +/- 66% of the world's population who is not Christian goes to Hell. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

No, I think the protestants go there too.

Interesting - the Catholics & the Protestants each think that of each other. Call it Universal Falsehood.

[FallingOsh 0]

I find your post, combined with your sig line to be somewhat funny/ironic.

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[prodiver913 0]

it is quite. I use it for the funny even though it's ironic. If that makes any sense.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

[shropshire 0]

Well what a jolly nice God ..... your pop gets a cheque and a load of kids die from malnutrition, or aids or what ever - Way to go oh ye merciful omnipot'

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[prodiver913 0]

I also wish that the people on this earth knew the anthropological history of humans. How we evolved and what courses in our very, very early history (150,000 years ago) lead to what we have and what we are today. So many people believe that god created adam and eve and blah, blah, blah. Our culture forgets that we used to be hunter gatherers (for 190,000 years) and we have gone from animism, to paganism, to other polytheistic faiths and now what we have today. Like I said before. Religion is an idea and it evolves as we do. The time line of the bible and other religious works date to about 2,500 B.C, a few hundred years to a thousand years after we developed the earliest form of writing: cuneiform. At that time modern humans (that look and talk like you and me) had been living on this planet for almost 198,000 years. Again.... it's an idea and used as an excuse to escape reality.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Omnipot.
Philologically correct, but I am not sure it's a word.

[shropshire 0]

It is now

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[maadmax 0]

. Our culture forgets that we used to be hunter gatherers (for 190,000 years) and we have gone from animism, to paganism, to other polytheistic faiths and now what we have today. Like I said before. Religion is an idea and it evolves as we do. The time line of the bible and other religious works date to about 2,500 B.C, a few hundred years to a thousand years after we developed the earliest form of writing: cuneiform.

What your are referring to is a very interesting area of theology called Dispensations. I have spent many hours researching this topic. The way we interact with God has changed over time. Really though, all that is important is how you interact with God in this present life.


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I used to have a neighbor named "Jesus Sanchez".
Where's the option for him ??

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[br0k3n 0]

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If Christians are wrong, then when we all die, it is just over, no harm, no foul.

No harm done!!!!... its dumb ass ignorant and stupid comments like that which I think explain how the believers can mindlessly meander their way through life expecting to wake up one day sitting on a cloud playing a harp!!!!!

No harm done!!! tell that to :

1. The thousands of people dieing of AIDS in africa because the catholic church bans the use of contraception.
2. All the homosexuals that are persecuted by the church.
3. All the children that are constantly interfered with by church leaders.
4. All the people who suffered and were killed in The Crusades
5. All the people who suffered and were killed by the Inquisition.
6. All the children who have died because their parents refused them medical treatment on religious grounds; relying instead on faith-healers and prayer.
7. The millions that have died and suffered in all the Holy wars
8. All the people that have suffered Slavery, which is supported by scripture ("Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, just as you would obey Christ.", St.Paul, Ephesians 6:5)
9. The involuntary indoctrination of children into the religion of their parents, giving them an arbitrary, life-long belief that is almost entirely dependent on their place of birth.
10. The 2,400.000 people killed by the christian god in the bible.. link

I can go on if you like....

NO HARM DONE!!!!!!!

Oh and by the way the original sin theory of adam and eve must only be symbolic, as we know adam and eve never existed, so your savior Jesus had himself tortured and executed,for a symbolic sin committed by a non-existent individual so that you can now be saved!!!

any way like you said "no harm done hey"

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[prodiver913 0]

you should read the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. I think you'll love it. Talks about that Adam and Eve were not two people but they were symbolic for the first group of people who made the switch from hunter-gatherer peoples to civilized people who practice totalitarian agriculture. Adam means man and Eve means life. It's pretty cool. The ultimate sin was eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was the fact that they knew they didn't have to be nomadic anymore. They became aware of there nakedness, they were ashamed. Check it out. i read it in a day and half. Couldn't put it down.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

[No_Phear 0]

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Well what a jolly nice God ..... your pop gets a cheque and a load of kids die from malnutrition, or aids or what ever - Way to go oh ye merciful omnipot'

That reminds me of a anecdote I once heard:

A man dies and goes to Heaven, and when he gets to the throne, he says to God, "How can you allow all these children to die from starvation and hunger, and all the suffering in the world?" God replied, "I was just going to ask you the same question."

Tact is not my specialty.....

Dirty Sanchez #453

[No_Phear 0]

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No harm done!!!!... its dumb ass ignorant and stupid comments....

Wow such a intelligent thing to say...

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1. The thousands of people dieing of AIDS in africa because the catholic church bans the use of contraception.

While Catholosism is not the same as Christianity, and I do not agree with the Catholic church, or thier doctrines or thier practice of Idolatry, thier banning of contraception has NOTHING to do with people dying from AIDS. That was thier fault for commiting the SIN of fornication.


I could answer every one of your items on your biased list, but then why bother... I am sure I am wasting my time. You should however, consider putting the blame where it belongs.

Tact is not my specialty.....

Dirty Sanchez #453

[shropshire 0]

Nice story - even better cop-out

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[nanook 1]

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While Catholosism is not the same as Christianity,

Catholisism is the original Christian religion; the religion that said you didn't have to be jewish to worship so that caused a split from Judaism. They weren't called catholics originally, of course. Everything came from the Judeo/christian split started by Paul, who eventually was considered the first Pope. Then all the christian splits came: Lutherans, calvanists, Presbyterians, Puritans, (now in the new world), methodists, Baptists, tent-revival groups whose expansion coincides with major changes that happens during cultural\industrial revolutions and of course, Born-Agains; who before they were baptised didn't know they were unhappy till some guy that approached him at a street corner told them they were(funny, if there's no hole in your life, someone can add one for you).

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[LyraM45 0]

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seriously, watch Zeitgeist online. It will tell you exactly who he was. It is purely astrological. He existed but was not the son of god. The entire life of Jesus was a plagiarized story that had happened many times before. The idea of needing to be saved by a savior is not inherent to humanity. it's a condition created by man do to the historical evolution of war, famine, etc... Pretty much we stopped being hunter-gatherers around 12,000 B.C, started fucking up this planet with agriculture, sedentary civilization, war, disease, global conquest, famine, etc. and needed help because we deny the fact that we're responsible for our own actions. It's an idea. Different religions and faiths evolved in different areas at different rates due to geographical isolation. If there were truly a heaven or hell there would only be one way (that was globally agreed upon) and shit wouldn't be so obscured and involve so much guesswork.

Hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what I've been saying for years. It's a human need to feel the existance of a higher being so they are somehow not responsible for all the horrible things that happen in life, but that it is just god's will when it's convenient. If humans didn't have some power(s) that be, I think it would drive some people to insanity. I also think it was needed to keep society in check. Long ago, if people feared God, Hell, and damnation, then they would follow the rules, right?

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

[prodiver913 0]

i have a feeling that a lot of things were used long ago for fear and control. We do it now so why wouldn't we have done it then. Ya know? There was this special on the History Channel about some books of the christian bible that we left out on purpose because of a group of men thinking they weren't relevant. It is very interesting. The books left out go against most of the things said in the current new testament. You should check it out. But you're right. If there was no thought form of a deity or worship, people would lose it. They would have to deal with things like poverty, corruption, disease (all products of society, which by the way does not work) and they wouldn't be able to handle it. I am a big fan of Ralph Waldo Emerson. He talks about self-reliance. Dealing with your own problems and taking care of shit on your own. Not putting them in the hands of an idea that will not take care of it.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

[porpoishead 8]

you left out the option for ..

some carpenter that talked a whole bunch of shit.


immaculate conception my ass, somebody got a piece of ass....

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