jakee 1,594 #151 January 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut, if we did accept your standards (which we wont, 'cos they're stupid) then you'd be just as closed minded as me. How? I'm open to the possibility of either; admittedly more towards one side than the other. Are you open to the possibility that there are Gnomes living in my back garden, riding tiny unicorns, juggling snails and singing La Marsellaise? QuoteYou have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. Yeah, sounds quite open minded. Oh look, you've gone and got yourself all tangled up arse about face again. Here, I'll help you out - what actually happened was, you said that you knew that there was an afterlife. Pay a bit more attention and one day you'll figure out how to stop getting in these muddles.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #152 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote But, if we did accept your standards (which we wont, 'cos they're stupid) then you'd be just as closed minded as me. How? I'm open to the possibility of either; admittedly more towards one side than the other. Are you open to the possibility that there are Gnomes living in my back garden, riding tiny unicorns, juggling snails and singing La Marsellaise? What have gnomes riding tiny unicorns got to do with anything? Are you mad? Quote You have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. Yeah, sounds quite open minded. Oh look, you've gone and got yourself all tangled up arse about face again. Here, I'll help you out - what actually happened was, you said that you knew that there was an afterlife. Pay a bit more attention and one day you'll figure out how to stop getting in these muddles. Hang on a sec. You keep forgetting my beliefs have nothing to do with you having a closed mind regarding an afterlife/God. I've told you that already. I won't tell you again!You have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. It doesn't just sound like you've a closed mind in this matter, it sounds a lot worse! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #153 January 4, 2009 QuoteWhat have gnomes riding tiny unicorns got to do with anything? I'm just showing that, by your standards, you're completely closed minded. QuoteHang on a sec. You keep forgetting my beliefs have nothing to do with you having a closed mind regarding an afterlife/God. I've told you that already. I won't tell you again! Your statements show how closed minded you are. QuoteYou have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. It doesn't just sound like you've a closed mind in this matter, it sounds a lot worse! You are the one who's said that you know that there is an afterlife. You've got yourself so muddled up that you don't even know who said what! I've simply said that I'm not going to give the idea any consideration until someone can show me some evidence for it. Your slavish faith in the idea is the true sign of the closed mind. Me, I'm as open to the idea of an afterlife as I am to anything else, just show me the evidence.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #154 January 4, 2009 Quote Quote What have gnomes riding tiny unicorns got to do with anything? I'm just showing that, by your standards, you're completely closed minded. Nonsense! Quote Hang on a sec. You keep forgetting my beliefs have nothing to do with you having a closed mind regarding an afterlife/God. I've told you that already. I won't tell you again! Your statements show how closed minded you are. No they don't. Quote You have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. It doesn't just sound like you've a closed mind in this matter, it sounds a lot worse! You are the one who's said that you know that there is an afterlife. You've got yourself so muddled up that you don't even know who said what! No Jakee; it's you who's got himself in a muddle. Hence a repeat of the statement for you, which you're refusing to address. Explain why what you've said doesn't indicate a closed mind. I've provided the statement for you twice. I've explained 3 times what I believe or don't believe isn't relative to your closed mind. Further to that, I've also agreed that saying I know was indeed too bold a statement. Quote I've simply said that I'm not going to give the idea any consideration until someone can show me some evidence for it. Bollocks!You've stated you know the answer. And that's without any evidence. Quote Your slavish faith in the idea is the true sign of the closed mind. It isn't anywhere near slavish as yours mate, as I've explained to you numerous times! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #155 January 4, 2009 QuoteNonsense! Bullshit. Do you think the ghost of Aleister Crowley could be sitting next to me right now teaching me a magic spell that can unfasten a petite 18 year old's bra at 20 paces? QuoteNo Jakee; it's you who's got himself in a muddle. No, it's you. You're getting confused between stuff that you've said and stuff that I've said. QuoteBollocks!Laugh You've stated you know the answer. And that's without any evidence. No, VR, that's what you've said. Go back and have a read through. QuoteIt isn't anywhere near slavish as yours mate, Funny, since I'm not the one who believes in ridiculous bullshit for no reason. You have stated that you know that there is an afterlife and by extension God (and that it is unacceptable to think that there isn't), despite there being no evidence for either. I have stated that I'm simply not going to bother with the idea until someone shows me some evidence for it. You're caught up in a mad fairy land of your own making, I'm just keeping it real. If someone can show that there is an afterlife, I'll be quite happy to accept that. Why wouldn't I be? You, on the other hand, are just locked in to what you so desperately want to be true.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #156 January 4, 2009 I have my own experiences that indicate what I believe in. They'll never have anything whatsoever to do with your closed mind regarding an afterlife. By stating you'll not bother with the idea of an afterlife, by stating you in actual fact know there isn't an afterlife indicate an unreceptive mind regarding the matter. A closed mind. My experiences have never completely convinced my there is an afterlife. So I'm open to the idea there may not be. If you're keeping it real, without evidence to support your beliefs, whose living in a mad faery land? Further to that, if, for whatever reason, you required knowledge and evidence on a particular matter, would you go forth and seek out this knowledge and evidence, or would you just sit on your arse waiting for 'someone' to provide you with such knowledge and evidence? Or would you be crazy enough to just convince yourself you actually know the answer because nobody bothered to show you any evidence? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #157 January 4, 2009 To prove that the afterlife actually exists or not, one would have to ... um ...... die..... surely you're not suggesting that Jakee experiments in that direction are ya? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #158 January 4, 2009 Course I'm not mate. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #159 January 4, 2009 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #160 January 4, 2009 morelike. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #161 January 4, 2009 Way more accurate. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #162 January 5, 2009 QuoteBy stating you'll not bother with the idea of an afterlife, by stating you in actual fact know there isn't an afterlife indicate an unreceptive mind regarding the matter. A closed mind. You are the one who has stated that you know if there is an afterlife. You. Like I have said many, many, many times - show me some evidence it exists. If the evidence is there, I'll be more than happy to think that an afterlife exists. Without any evidence, I will not. QuoteFurther to that, if, for whatever reason, you required knowledge and evidence on a particular matter, would you go forth and seek out this knowledge and evidence, or would you just sit on your arse waiting for 'someone' to provide you with such knowledge and evidence? Here's how it is - you're the one telling me a story. If you want me to think that your story has any merit, it's your job to show me that your story has merit. Until then, I'm perfectly entitled to dismiss it. QuoteOr would you be crazy enough to just convince yourself you actually know the answer because nobody bothered to show you any evidence? How about this, there's a story that's been floating around since the beginning of recorded history. Despite massive interest in the story for thousands of years, no one has ever managed to produce a shred of solid, testable evidence that the story is true. What conclusion should you draw about the validity of the story?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #163 January 5, 2009 QuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #164 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage.Quote But certainly you have observed the phenomenon of one man's garbage becoming another man's treasure. "The Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who consider themselves wise" ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #165 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage.Quote But certainly you have observed the phenomenon of one man's garbage becoming another man's treasure. "The Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who consider themselves wise" No. The logic is garbage no matter how you look at it. If I make a garbage logic statement; Fish swim I swim Therefore I am a fish That doesn't make it so.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #166 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage. If you re-read the discussion you'll discover the majority of it has nothing to do with the 'garbage' website. p.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #167 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage. Quote But certainly you have observed the phenomenon of one man's garbage becoming another man's treasure. "The Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who consider themselves wise" ... Hang on mate, it's only a website which I found interesting. Interesting. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #168 January 5, 2009 Quotep.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? My "job" here (hobby really), is to maintain some order if things get out of hand. Other than that, I can comment on any post I wish and I usually find it more direct to comment on the root of the problem rather than the all of the twisted branches. This entire thread wouldn't have existed were it not for the faulty logic of the original author and your posting of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #169 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote p.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? My "job" here (hobby really), is to maintain some order if things get out of hand. Other than that, I can comment on any post I wish and I usually find it more direct to comment on the root of the problem rather than the all of the twisted branches. This entire thread wouldn't have existed were it not for the faulty logic of the original author and your posting of it. You expressed amazement at the length of a discussion based on a garbage website. I pointed out to you that the majority of the discussion had nothing to do with the website...which led me to deduce you hadn't actually read the discussion. What if it had been full of PA's dammit!? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #170 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote By stating you'll not bother with the idea of an afterlife, by stating you in actual fact know there isn't an afterlife indicate an unreceptive mind regarding the matter. A closed mind. You are the one who has stated that you know if there is an afterlife. You. Let it go mate, let it go! What else have I said regarding this? You keep suitably ignoring that. Quote Further to that, if, for whatever reason, you required knowledge and evidence on a particular matter, would you go forth and seek out this knowledge and evidence, or would you just sit on your arse waiting for 'someone' to provide you with such knowledge and evidence? Here's how it is - you're the one telling me a story. No I'm bloody not. I'm telling you you've a closed mind. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #171 January 5, 2009 QuoteLet it go mate, let it go! I'll let it go when you fucking admit that a statement of certainty you attribute to me, a statement that is the basis of your argument that I'm closed minded, was in fact a statement made by you. QuoteNo I'm bloody not. Yes, you are. And there's absolutely no reason that I should think it to be true unless you show me some evidence that it is.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #172 January 5, 2009 Quotejakee? you do realize that this reads like you trying to have a conversation with a chatbot, right? I mean if you are enjoying it please continue, but it is a bit painful to watch. My obsevations exactly. All meaningful conversations of the supernatural pretty much end at the request for evidence. Everything after that is obfuscating circular arguements on the part of those that have none. (Evidence that is). I consider myself very open-minded. All I want is some solid evidence. I would really dig, and it would be really cool to be witness to something dramatic and paradigm shifting. (Never mind that said desire is so strong in some that they will bite on some really silly shit). A child's toy wobbling thru the sky and caught by an incredibly shaky camera, the Virgin Mary's image on a grilled cheese sandwich, Uri Geller, Bigfoots that are so obviously a person in a gorilla suit, and the like do not count. Why is it that everybody that meets Bigfoot is either drunk, or has the IQ of a waste paper basket? And you'd think just once they could film him without violently shaking the camera. But I digress. Speaking of which, as an aside, there is a lot of really cool and exciting shit happening in our world in our time. Enough that people should not feel the need to grasp at such strange things. I think the problem is that the science behind the ever-deepening discoveries we see happening today is beyond the reach of most people. For instance, the complexities and ramifications of the unraveling of the genome are too much; so let's see that grilled cheese sandwich again. IMO, you can end all conversations about this kind of stuff by just referring people to Shermer's book Why People Believe Wierd Things. Nobody will be converted because Shermer is of course part of the conspiracy; but at least you can get back to more important things." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #173 January 5, 2009 Quotewho is closed minded, the skeptic or the true believer? http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4134 A skeptic is open to analysis of new evidence based on observation and experimentation. A true believer (at least as it is used here) is usually adverse to both; and will deny/obfuscate rather than even consider looking at evidence." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #174 January 5, 2009 Both of you cut it out, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #175 January 5, 2009 QuoteYou have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. Yeah, sounds quite open minded. I know it's mentioned in lots of places if not this thread specifically; but proving a negative is not possible (other than by intentional inclusion of obviously contradicting assumptions, terms, and definitions; i.e. - a round square). It's nothing against you or your specific ideas, it's just the way logic works. If you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence that what you claim exists." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 7 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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quade 4 #165 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage.Quote But certainly you have observed the phenomenon of one man's garbage becoming another man's treasure. "The Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who consider themselves wise" No. The logic is garbage no matter how you look at it. If I make a garbage logic statement; Fish swim I swim Therefore I am a fish That doesn't make it so.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #166 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage. If you re-read the discussion you'll discover the majority of it has nothing to do with the 'garbage' website. p.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #167 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage. Quote But certainly you have observed the phenomenon of one man's garbage becoming another man's treasure. "The Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who consider themselves wise" ... Hang on mate, it's only a website which I found interesting. Interesting. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #168 January 5, 2009 Quotep.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? My "job" here (hobby really), is to maintain some order if things get out of hand. Other than that, I can comment on any post I wish and I usually find it more direct to comment on the root of the problem rather than the all of the twisted branches. This entire thread wouldn't have existed were it not for the faulty logic of the original author and your posting of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #169 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote p.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? My "job" here (hobby really), is to maintain some order if things get out of hand. Other than that, I can comment on any post I wish and I usually find it more direct to comment on the root of the problem rather than the all of the twisted branches. This entire thread wouldn't have existed were it not for the faulty logic of the original author and your posting of it. You expressed amazement at the length of a discussion based on a garbage website. I pointed out to you that the majority of the discussion had nothing to do with the website...which led me to deduce you hadn't actually read the discussion. What if it had been full of PA's dammit!? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #170 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote By stating you'll not bother with the idea of an afterlife, by stating you in actual fact know there isn't an afterlife indicate an unreceptive mind regarding the matter. A closed mind. You are the one who has stated that you know if there is an afterlife. You. Let it go mate, let it go! What else have I said regarding this? You keep suitably ignoring that. Quote Further to that, if, for whatever reason, you required knowledge and evidence on a particular matter, would you go forth and seek out this knowledge and evidence, or would you just sit on your arse waiting for 'someone' to provide you with such knowledge and evidence? Here's how it is - you're the one telling me a story. No I'm bloody not. I'm telling you you've a closed mind. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #171 January 5, 2009 QuoteLet it go mate, let it go! I'll let it go when you fucking admit that a statement of certainty you attribute to me, a statement that is the basis of your argument that I'm closed minded, was in fact a statement made by you. QuoteNo I'm bloody not. Yes, you are. And there's absolutely no reason that I should think it to be true unless you show me some evidence that it is.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #172 January 5, 2009 Quotejakee? you do realize that this reads like you trying to have a conversation with a chatbot, right? I mean if you are enjoying it please continue, but it is a bit painful to watch. My obsevations exactly. All meaningful conversations of the supernatural pretty much end at the request for evidence. Everything after that is obfuscating circular arguements on the part of those that have none. (Evidence that is). I consider myself very open-minded. All I want is some solid evidence. I would really dig, and it would be really cool to be witness to something dramatic and paradigm shifting. (Never mind that said desire is so strong in some that they will bite on some really silly shit). A child's toy wobbling thru the sky and caught by an incredibly shaky camera, the Virgin Mary's image on a grilled cheese sandwich, Uri Geller, Bigfoots that are so obviously a person in a gorilla suit, and the like do not count. Why is it that everybody that meets Bigfoot is either drunk, or has the IQ of a waste paper basket? And you'd think just once they could film him without violently shaking the camera. But I digress. Speaking of which, as an aside, there is a lot of really cool and exciting shit happening in our world in our time. Enough that people should not feel the need to grasp at such strange things. I think the problem is that the science behind the ever-deepening discoveries we see happening today is beyond the reach of most people. For instance, the complexities and ramifications of the unraveling of the genome are too much; so let's see that grilled cheese sandwich again. IMO, you can end all conversations about this kind of stuff by just referring people to Shermer's book Why People Believe Wierd Things. Nobody will be converted because Shermer is of course part of the conspiracy; but at least you can get back to more important things." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #173 January 5, 2009 Quotewho is closed minded, the skeptic or the true believer? http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4134 A skeptic is open to analysis of new evidence based on observation and experimentation. A true believer (at least as it is used here) is usually adverse to both; and will deny/obfuscate rather than even consider looking at evidence." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #174 January 5, 2009 Both of you cut it out, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #175 January 5, 2009 QuoteYou have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. Yeah, sounds quite open minded. I know it's mentioned in lots of places if not this thread specifically; but proving a negative is not possible (other than by intentional inclusion of obviously contradicting assumptions, terms, and definitions; i.e. - a round square). It's nothing against you or your specific ideas, it's just the way logic works. If you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence that what you claim exists." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 7 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
vortexring 0 #166 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteI came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage. If you re-read the discussion you'll discover the majority of it has nothing to do with the 'garbage' website. p.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #167 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion. I'm amazed the discussion lasted this long. The web site and theories are garbage. Quote But certainly you have observed the phenomenon of one man's garbage becoming another man's treasure. "The Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who consider themselves wise" ... Hang on mate, it's only a website which I found interesting. Interesting. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #168 January 5, 2009 Quotep.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? My "job" here (hobby really), is to maintain some order if things get out of hand. Other than that, I can comment on any post I wish and I usually find it more direct to comment on the root of the problem rather than the all of the twisted branches. This entire thread wouldn't have existed were it not for the faulty logic of the original author and your posting of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #169 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote p.s. Isn't it your job here to actually read what people are actually saying on SC? My "job" here (hobby really), is to maintain some order if things get out of hand. Other than that, I can comment on any post I wish and I usually find it more direct to comment on the root of the problem rather than the all of the twisted branches. This entire thread wouldn't have existed were it not for the faulty logic of the original author and your posting of it. You expressed amazement at the length of a discussion based on a garbage website. I pointed out to you that the majority of the discussion had nothing to do with the website...which led me to deduce you hadn't actually read the discussion. What if it had been full of PA's dammit!? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #170 January 5, 2009 Quote Quote By stating you'll not bother with the idea of an afterlife, by stating you in actual fact know there isn't an afterlife indicate an unreceptive mind regarding the matter. A closed mind. You are the one who has stated that you know if there is an afterlife. You. Let it go mate, let it go! What else have I said regarding this? You keep suitably ignoring that. Quote Further to that, if, for whatever reason, you required knowledge and evidence on a particular matter, would you go forth and seek out this knowledge and evidence, or would you just sit on your arse waiting for 'someone' to provide you with such knowledge and evidence? Here's how it is - you're the one telling me a story. No I'm bloody not. I'm telling you you've a closed mind. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #171 January 5, 2009 QuoteLet it go mate, let it go! I'll let it go when you fucking admit that a statement of certainty you attribute to me, a statement that is the basis of your argument that I'm closed minded, was in fact a statement made by you. QuoteNo I'm bloody not. Yes, you are. And there's absolutely no reason that I should think it to be true unless you show me some evidence that it is.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #172 January 5, 2009 Quotejakee? you do realize that this reads like you trying to have a conversation with a chatbot, right? I mean if you are enjoying it please continue, but it is a bit painful to watch. My obsevations exactly. All meaningful conversations of the supernatural pretty much end at the request for evidence. Everything after that is obfuscating circular arguements on the part of those that have none. (Evidence that is). I consider myself very open-minded. All I want is some solid evidence. I would really dig, and it would be really cool to be witness to something dramatic and paradigm shifting. (Never mind that said desire is so strong in some that they will bite on some really silly shit). A child's toy wobbling thru the sky and caught by an incredibly shaky camera, the Virgin Mary's image on a grilled cheese sandwich, Uri Geller, Bigfoots that are so obviously a person in a gorilla suit, and the like do not count. Why is it that everybody that meets Bigfoot is either drunk, or has the IQ of a waste paper basket? And you'd think just once they could film him without violently shaking the camera. But I digress. Speaking of which, as an aside, there is a lot of really cool and exciting shit happening in our world in our time. Enough that people should not feel the need to grasp at such strange things. I think the problem is that the science behind the ever-deepening discoveries we see happening today is beyond the reach of most people. For instance, the complexities and ramifications of the unraveling of the genome are too much; so let's see that grilled cheese sandwich again. IMO, you can end all conversations about this kind of stuff by just referring people to Shermer's book Why People Believe Wierd Things. Nobody will be converted because Shermer is of course part of the conspiracy; but at least you can get back to more important things." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #173 January 5, 2009 Quotewho is closed minded, the skeptic or the true believer? http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4134 A skeptic is open to analysis of new evidence based on observation and experimentation. A true believer (at least as it is used here) is usually adverse to both; and will deny/obfuscate rather than even consider looking at evidence." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #174 January 5, 2009 Both of you cut it out, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #175 January 5, 2009 QuoteYou have no evidence there isn't an afterlife, and yet you don't require any; as you know there isn't an afterlife. Yeah, sounds quite open minded. I know it's mentioned in lots of places if not this thread specifically; but proving a negative is not possible (other than by intentional inclusion of obviously contradicting assumptions, terms, and definitions; i.e. - a round square). It's nothing against you or your specific ideas, it's just the way logic works. If you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence that what you claim exists." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
