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But it's not improbable that God's there just because he is? The problem with you people is that you only apply your incredulity to one side of the argument. It's a quite remarkable set of mental blinkers you're wearing.



Wrong.

Did I ever claim to have 100% faith in a God?

Didn't I mention on at least several occasions I have my own doubts?

All I've heard from yourself is entirely one side of the argument. Admit you've a closed mind!

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So what happens when a match goes out or a bacteria dies or an insect? What about a tree or a dog or a monkey etc....

We're all just chemical reactions..... Nowt special about humans, is there?



I disagree. Life in its various forms isn't special?

Didn't you ever collect frog spawn as a wee boy and watch the eggs turn into tadpoles and then frogs?:P

I don't know if you've any children but the experience of witnessing your first child being born?

I can't answer your questions - I doubt anybody can; or at least, not with a conclusive answer. But life is special - humans especially.

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>An angel bumps into you in the street and invites you into a room where
>God's sat waiting for you?

Or a seraph bumps into you and says "hey, Vishnu wants to talk to you - and boy, is he pissed!"



"Tell him to come back tomorrow - I'm playing cards tonight..."

Seriously though, you've taken upon my statement a religious slant. And religion? We all know how biased and wrong religion can be. And often is. Imagine the God I've used as an example as being generic.:)

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You see my point is not that LIFE isn't special - it is - we only get one... my point is that Human life is no more or less special than any other form of life.... so any heaven must be full of dead grass, germs, insects as well as Christians:P


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Depends which religion you chose to believe. I don't think I believe in any particular religion - but that doesn't stop me from believing in an afterlife, which naturally leads me to believe in a God of some form or other.

Seems you might believe in something you've no evidence of mate.......;)


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so any heaven must be full of dead grass, germs, insects as well as Christians:P



I imagine it's like a park full of born again's all trying to out-christian each other. The thought of that is enough to give me the heebee jeebees.:S


May as well imagine something less heebee jeebeeish then. :)

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But it's not improbable that God's there just because he is? The problem with you people is that you only apply your incredulity to one side of the argument. It's a quite remarkable set of mental blinkers you're wearing.



Wrong.

Did I ever claim to have 100% faith in a God?

Didn't I mention on at least several occasions I have my own doubts?

All I've heard from yourself is entirely one side of the argument. Admit you've a closed mind!



Um, that's a 100% misunderstanding!

I'm referring to the way you constructed your argument. You only apply incredulity to one side of the equation (It's impossible for the universe to simply be, but absolutely fine for an intelligent, incorporeal being with infinite power to simply be). You're adding another, incredibly complex, level of unknown factors to the process and you think that somehow makes it more likely. That's where your mental blinkers are.

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Admit you've a closed mind!



Show me some evidence.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Um, that's a 100% misunderstanding!

I'm referring to the way you constructed your argument. You only apply incredulity to one side of the equation (It's impossible for the universe to simply be, but absolutely fine for an intelligent, incorporeal being with infinite power to simply be).



I've never once claimed it's impossible for the universe to simply be - I've only argued I'm far more inclined to believe God's responsible for it all.
Stop going off at a tangent to the pertinent points of the argument.

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You're adding another, incredibly complex, level of unknown factors to the process and you think that somehow makes it more likely. That's where your mental blinkers are.



And yours through complete disregard of the possibility.

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Admit you've a closed mind!



Show me some evidence.



Just look through most of your old posts on the subject - it's all there.

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I'm referring to the way you constructed your argument. You only apply incredulity to one side of the equation (It's impossible for the universe to simply be, but absolutely fine for an intelligent, incorporeal being with infinite power to simply be).

I've never once claimed it's impossible for the universe to simply be - I've only argued I'm far more inclined to believe God's responsible for it all.
Stop going off at a tangent to the pertinent points of the argument.



Ok, you think that it's so improbable for the universe to exist that you believe that god did it, but you do not consider the added improbability of such a God existing. You add an incredibly complex new level stuff that has to just happen to exist, and you think that makes your story more probably, instead of much, much less probable.

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And yours through complete disregard of the possibility.



Show me some evidence.

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Show me some evidence.

Just look through most of your old posts on the subject - it's all there.



Show me some evidence.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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so any heaven must be full of dead grass, germs, insects as well as Christians:P



I imagine it's like a park full of born again's all trying to out-christian each other. The thought of that is enough to give me the heebee jeebees.:S


I think you just described Hell. :P
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> Life in its various forms isn't special?

It definitely is! And it comes from some pretty amazing chemical reactions.

The rainbow is no less special now that we understand how it's formed, and life is made no less special by understanding how DNA works.

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Imagine the God I've used as an example as being generic.:)



I'm visualizing a big uniform and symetric canary yellow cloud, with big black block letters:

G O D

Whatever happened to generic foodstuffs anyway. Haven't seen any on the shelves in ages.
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> Life in its various forms isn't special?

It definitely is!



Hey - you don't think I need confirmation of life being special do you!?;)

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And it comes from some pretty amazing chemical reactions.

The rainbow is no less special now that we understand how it's formed, and life is made no less special by understanding how DNA works.



Of course. Do I come across as putting my belief in things I don't understand simply in God as the answer?

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Show me some evidence.

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Show me some evidence.

Just look through most of your old posts on the subject - it's all there.



Show me some evidence.



Can't be arsed. Just look through most of your old posts on the subject - it's all there. You have a closed mind, as described earlier.

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>Do I come across as putting my belief in things I don't understand simply in
>God as the answer?

Nope. I was just pointing out that saying "we're all just chemical reactions" like all other forms of life out there isn't a bad thing. We are special (as is all life) _because_ of those chemical reactions.

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I'm visualizing a big uniform and symetric canary yellow cloud, with big black block letters:

G O D



Looks like it's the toaster for you then...

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Whatever happened to generic foodstuffs anyway. Haven't seen any on the shelves in ages.



Weren't they all recently gobbled up by North Americans in reaction to the Crisis Crunch?

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Understood.

Now what exactly caused the circumstances for such chemical reactions to be in such a position to react? If you keep going back you end up at the Big Bang, and what caused that? What was before it?

Staggering really.

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>Do I come across as putting my belief in things I don't understand simply in
>God as the answer?

Nope. I was just pointing out that saying "we're all just chemical reactions" like all other forms of life out there isn't a bad thing. We are special (as is all life) _because_ of those chemical reactions.



That's my take too.

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Show me some evidence.

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Show me some evidence.

Just look through most of your old posts on the subject - it's all there.



Show me some evidence.



Can't be arsed. Just look through most of your old posts on the subject - it's all there. You have a closed mind, as described earlier.



So, you can't think of any actual evidence that your deity exists, and you have given no real reason to think your deity should exist/ needs to exist, but for some reason I'm closed minded because I don't give your baseless assertion any credence. Really?

Look, you're on record as saying that you believe in something because it is "unnacceptable" to you that death is the end. Your position is obviously based on emotion rather than reason, just don't make the mistake of applying that to the rest of us, yeah?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So, you can't think of any actual evidence that your deity exists, and you have given no real reason to think your deity should exist/ needs to exist, but for some reason I'm closed minded because I don't give your baseless assertion any credence. Really?



My 'baseless assertion' is neither here nor there! The issue is your closed mind in regards to God,
not in regards to anything I may or may not have said. But I think you already know that. Further, have you any evidence God doesn't exist? You've placed your faith entirely on something you cannot prove? You've a closed mind on this matter.

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Look, you're on record as saying that you believe in something because it is "unnacceptable" to you that death is the end. Your position is obviously based on emotion rather than reason, just don't make the mistake of applying that to the rest of us, yeah?



I've said lots of other things too on this matter - don't these also apply, or are you simply choosing what's most suitable for the point you wish to make?

Death being simply the end is unacceptable. I know death isn't the end though. If I've not been quite articulate enough then I apologise, but I didn't come to that belief simply through emotion. Sorry if that's how it came across. I also reckon your closed mind played a part in leading you to that conclusion.

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My 'baseless assertion' is neither here nor there! The issue is your closed mind in regards to God,



Which you have been entirely unable to demonstrate. If I was ignoring any evidence that God existed, then I'd be closed minded. But you've ben unable to give any examples of actual evidence that I'm ignoring, so your claim is baseless.

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Further, have you any evidence God doesn't exist?



I've got no evidence that pixie dust and magical amulets don't exist. I've got no evidence that merlin wasn't real, or that Leprechauns and Goblins aren't living in the bottom of my garden, and I've got no evidence that there isn't a teapot in the Oort cloud. Is it closed minded of me to give no credence to the idea of those things existing either? Course it's bloody not.

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I've said lots of other things too on this matter - don't these also apply, or are you simply choosing what's most suitable for the point you wish to make?



Yo've said before that it is unnacceptable for there to be no afterlife, and you've said in this thread, on this page that this leads you to think that there is a God. What else have you written that gives a reason for believing that is noy based on emtion, and that doesn't contradict the above?

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Death being simply the end is unacceptable. I know death isn't the end though.



Well there you go then. You "know" that death isn't the end. No evidence, no reason, no nothing. But you "know." And you have the fucking cheek to accuse me of being closed minded?

Sometimes I wonder how you can get your arguments so twisted up without noticing, or indeed doing it on purpose!:D
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>Do I come across as putting my belief in things I don't understand simply in
>God as the answer?

Nope. I was just pointing out that saying "we're all just chemical reactions" like all other forms of life out there isn't a bad thing. We are special (as is all life) _because_ of those chemical reactions.



Codswallop! Attributing sustained self-awareness to a fortuitous set of chemical reactions is to much of a stretch. What makes life special is the spirit of the being that came from the Hand of God. You are totally ignoring the part of us that is not a chemical reaction.

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