Cosmic Fingerprints

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Seeing as it's Jesus's birthday today(in actual fact it's not, but let's pretend it is...), and I've a bit of slack time out here away from my family, I came across a rather interesting website, which claims 'New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God' so I figured I'd stick up a link and see if it's worthy of discussion.

Have a look, it seems of a decent enough standard:

New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God

And of course; Merry Christmas.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Step away from the cooking Sherry!! - The link is broke.

Have a Great Crimbo

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[jakee 1,595]

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Step away from the cooking Sherry!! - The link is broke.

Contains about as much evidence as I was expecting

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I wish! I'm in a 'dry' country at the moment, although I've a special shipment of merchandise soon to become available....
Now, let's see if this works:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

If it doesn't try having a look on Cosmicfingerprints.com

And Merry Christmas to you mate. (And Jakee)

Going back to the subject matter, what I found interesting about the site wasn't so much 'evidence' of God, but more an intelligent discussion involving evolution, Big Bang theories, and of course; God.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[kallend 2,148]

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Seeing as it's Jesus's birthday today(in actual fact it's not, but let's pretend it is...),
And of course; Merry Christmas.

It IS Sir Isaac Newton's birthday. He DID unify the heavens and the Earth.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Excellent lecture! Very concise and informative.
Thanks for the link.
It makes sense to me. And thank God there is more to our present and future existence than some here would suggest.

[jakee 1,595]

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And Merry Christmas to you mate. (And Jakee)

Have a good one yourself, sir

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Going back to the subject matter, what I found interesting about the site wasn't so much 'evidence' of God, but more an intelligent discussion involving evolution, Big Bang theories, and of course; God

Lets se, a very, very long re-wording of the Kalam Cosmological argument (and a brief non-sequitur 'proving' that the creator was Christ), a very, very long rewording of the fine tuning argument, and a denial that evolution exists.

Nothing new, nothing particularly intelligent either. Just long.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Lets se, a very, very long re-wording of the Kalam Cosmological argument (and a brief non-sequitur 'proving' that the creator was Christ), a very, very long rewording of the fine tuning argument, and a denial that evolution exists.

Nothing new, nothing particularly intelligent either. Just long.

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"Going back to the subject matter, what I found interesting about the site wasn't so much 'evidence' of God, but more an intelligent discussion involving evolution, Big Bang theories, and of course; God.

I just can't see someone arguing against evolution and considering it an intelligent conversation.

This website has become tiresome...

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It was stated in the clip that,

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We proved that the universe isn't static, that time isn't infinite. It's finite. The age of the universe is only 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds (10 to the 18th power).

There are 525,600 minutes in a year (Thank you Rent). If you convert that to seconds it is 31,536,000 seconds in a year. If you divide that number into 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds it shows the universe is 31,709,791,983 years old.

Yet the data derived from Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, which is where NASA receives its data shows that the universe is approximately 13.7 billion years old which is stated at a 1% error. Not 31.7 billion years old.

Where is Dr. Ross receiving his information and where can he back up this figure?

Just curious... I'm not done reading yet. This just stood out.

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[akarunway 1]

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It was stated in the clip that,

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We proved that the universe isn't static, that time isn't infinite. It's finite. The age of the universe is only 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds (10 to the 18th power).

There are 525,600 minutes in a year (Thank you Rent). If you convert that to seconds it is 31,536,000 seconds in a year. If you divide that number into 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds it shows the universe is 31,709,791,983 years old.

Yet the data derived from Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, which is where NASA receives its data shows that the universe is approximately 13.7 billion years old which is stated at a 1% error. Not 31.7 billion years old.

Where is Dr. Ross receiving his information and where can he back up this figure?

Just curious... I'm not done reading yet. This just stood out.

Jesus H. Christ. You and Nerdgirl need to go hang out together.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Proud to be a dork... continuing on...

In the article by Dr. Ross, he explains that because of the mass of the universe we have a comfortable place to live. If the universe was smaller or larger we would not have what we have today because of the 4 forces acting upon it.

That is a very viable point and here is a sidenote of other studies. Some say that the earth is only at the bare bring of existence. They say it is barely large enough to have plate tectonics, and without plate tectonics life as we know it would not exist. The movement of the plates allow volcanoes to erupt and for carbon dioxide to be released into the air on a life vital cycle.

When they looked at larger rocky planets than earth, the carbon dioxide was more vigorous and allowed for more life.. yet if humans lived on one of these more larger rocky planets, the gravity would not suit our way of life.

Very interesting. Now the Bacterium Flagellum, explain that one to me. Sorry I'm getting off topic from the above article, but the Bacterium Flagellum definitely shows me that we are not here by chance. Having a full operating motor in our body is pretty amazing. What do you think?

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if you want the explanation, here it is....

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726431.900-uncovering-the-evolution-of-the-bacterial-flagellum.html?full=true

or here for those with a shorter attention span...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w

please will some creationist furnish me with a NEW argument for creation? Is that too much to ask? Or do we have to keep hearing the ones that are this easy to disprove?

thanks in anticipation!

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[jakee 1,595]

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Very interesting. Now the Bacterium Flagellum, explain that one to me. Sorry I'm getting off topic from the above article, but the Bacterium Flagellum definitely shows me that we are not here by chance. Having a full operating motor in our body is pretty amazing. What do you think?

I think the Flagellum was one of the lynchpins of Behe's defence of irreducable complexity at the Dover trial.

Behe got destroyed over irreducable complexity at the Dover trial.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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please will some creationist furnish me with a NEW argument for creation? Is that too much to ask? Or do we have to keep hearing the ones that are this easy to disprove?

thanks in anticipation!

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Since you have everything so neatly reduced to chance occurrence, evolution and then natural selection. Where did the purpose that drives the universe come from? What would evolution be if it did not have a goal orientated purpose. Evolution is only an observation with out basic physical laws to explain it. Just look at what the physical laws do to a dead organism. The energy it contained follows the rules of entropy. Do physical law provide purpose as an unmeasurable aspect of their nature. Did the cooking of hydrogen in a supernova produce purpose along with the other heavier elements? I don't think so.

Purpose = Intelligence

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Before you go off trying to imply the purpose of the universe is caused some kind of divine intelligence, you must first demonstrate that the universe has a purpose. I won't hold my breath.

[jakee 1,595]

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Where did the purpose that drives the universe come from?

What purpose?

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What would evolution be if it did not have a goal orientated purpose.

It would be evolution. It is evolution.

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Evolution is only an observation with out basic physical laws to explain it.

Meaningless word salad.

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Do physical law provide purpose as an unmeasurable aspect of their nature.

Say again?

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Did the cooking of hydrogen in a supernova produce purpose along with the other heavier elements? I don't think so.

So?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,148]

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please will some creationist furnish me with a NEW argument for creation? Is that too much to ask? Or do we have to keep hearing the ones that are this easy to disprove?

thanks in anticipation!

Since you have everything so neatly reduced to chance occurrence, evolution and then natural selection. Where did the purpose that drives the universe come from? What would evolution be if it did not have a goal orientated purpose.

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--Evolution doesn't have a purpose, it just happens.

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Evolution just happens. The only time there is purpose involved is when man has stepped in with his "selective breeding" to optimize plants and animals for his benefit.
Evolution just happens.
Evolution is not the survival of the fittest, as is commonly believed, but the survival of the most capable to reproduce in a given environment. All without any purpose whatsoever.
Evolution just happens. There is no purpose behind it.

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--Before you go off trying to imply the purpose of the universe is caused some kind of divine intelligence, you must first demonstrate that the universe has a purpose. I won't hold my breath.

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-- Evolution just happens. There is no purpose behind it.

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Evolution proceeds in a predictable direction. When forces combine to produce a predictable specialized outcome, there must be purposeful manipulation of those forces. Otherwise all you would get would be a system with increasing entropy"

I'm afraid this shows a complete misunderstanding of the theory. There is no Purposeful manipulation of forces. There is only random recombination, some of which will provide an advantage to the organism..... in it's current environment, which will allow a greater than average chance of breeding, and therefore the genetic change becoming more prevelant in the population.

If you believe in evolution, can you please explain to me why chimps do not have a god? since its pretty well established that we are from the SAME common ancestor, can you tell me at which point it became required for us to have a god and them to still not need one?

Thanks

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-- Evolution just happens. There is no purpose behind it.

Evolution proceeds in a predictable direction. When forces combine to produce a predictable specialized outcome, there must be purposeful manipulation of those forces. Otherwise all you would get would be a system with increasing entropy.

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Evolution proceeds in a predictable manner