crwtom 0 #26 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote What was the factor in common with, what, 11,000+ other homicides last year. "Bruce"? No. "Usher"? No. "Santa Suit"? No. Gee, this is HARD! What law would you propose that would have stopped this man from doing what he did? for example, the ones that are in place in countries with 10-20 times less gun homicides (most of Europe) ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #27 December 27, 2008 Like Switzerland? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #28 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote What was the factor in common with, what, 11,000+ other homicides last year. "Bruce"? No. "Usher"? No. "Santa Suit"? No. Gee, this is HARD! What law would you propose that would have stopped this man from doing what he did? for example, the ones that are in place in countries with 10-20 times less gun homicides (most of Europe) Be more specific, please. In particular, I am asking for a law...ANY law...that he would not have be willing to break or circumvent. Since this man was willing to massacre an entire house of people, it is doubtful any such law could be written.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #29 December 27, 2008 QuoteLike Switzerland? most predictable reply of the day -- Highly affluent, at 6Mio smaller than many US metro areas, notoriously subdued mentalities, and in uncountable ways an oddity from another time within the continent. Having lived in both countries for years I can tell you that trying to compare Switzerland and the US is an absurdity. Try some countries that are in size, social and economic build up far more similar to the US -- such as Germany, France or Britain. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #30 December 27, 2008 QuoteLike Switzerland? Switzerland gun fatalities are NOT low. Common myth in the US. Chart... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #31 December 27, 2008 QuoteI guess you're right. incediary devices and car bombs aren't threats. They kill fewer people. Indeed, not having a criminal record is similarly something that just isn't seen in killings - especially massacres. ---------------------------------- And for another slaughter, I heard on Wednesday that there were 12 deaths blamed on snow and ice in the midwest. Sure, they were traffic deaths, and caused by people making deliberate choices, but blaming snow and ice is just one of those things that they had in common. I tend to think that "snow and ice" are "but for" causes, i.e., "But for that person being on the sidewalk, nobody would have been killed by the Cadillac that ran up it." Let's get to the threshhold issues here, prof. The threshhold issue is a guy killing people. You may paint the issue as one of guns. That's your right. I paint the issue as one of people killing others. Do you have any idea how STUPID it is to compare guns with motor vehicles? It's the kind of LAME comparison the gun lobby uses all the time in a vain attempt to make itself look less bad than it really is. Try comparing the homicide rate with guns, with that using motor vehicles.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #32 December 27, 2008 It is now being reported that this murderer used a home-made flame thrower. What proposed law do your have for us that would stop that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #33 December 27, 2008 QuoteDo you have any idea how STUPID it is to compare guns with motor vehicles? You only consider it "stupid" because the comparison doesn't go in your favor. Motor vehicles are used to kill three times as many people as guns, without even trying. And yet there are thousands of traffic laws on the books to try and prevent this tragedy of 40,000 lives lost per year. What new law does kallend have for us that will stop motor vehicle accidents? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #34 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo you have any idea how STUPID it is to compare guns with motor vehicles? You only consider it "stupid" because the comparison doesn't go in your favor. Motor vehicles are used to kill three times as many people as guns, without even trying. ? Incorrect. They are used to transport people. Very few are used to kill people. Traffic deaths are an unfortunate by product but not a USE of motor vehicles. Unlike guns, which ARE used to kill people more than any other means. Anyhow, I'd be quite happy if the same regulations that apply to motor vehicles were applied to guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #35 December 27, 2008 QuoteIt is now being reported that this murderer used a home-made flame thrower. What proposed law do your have for us that would stop that? When 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers, I expect suitable regulations will be imposed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #36 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you have any idea how STUPID it is to compare guns with motor vehicles? You only consider it "stupid" because the comparison doesn't go in your favor. Motor vehicles are used to kill three times as many people as guns, without even trying. ? Incorrect. They are used to transport people. Very few are used to kill people. Traffic deaths are an unfortunate by product but not a USE of motor vehicles. Unlike guns, which ARE used to kill people more than any other means. Anyhow, I'd be quite happy if the same regulations that apply to motor vehicles were applied to guns. So would I. License and registration only required when used on public property. Classes in operation offered in public schools. No waiting period. If you have the money, you can take it home with you. Of course, I would want background checks for either. There are several more points to add, but I think you get my drift. I consider any death caused by a driver under the influence of any drug to be, at the minimum, negligent homicide. Those deaths far surpass the number of deaths by bullet.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #37 December 27, 2008 QuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #38 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #39 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #40 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #41 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Well, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #42 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Well, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions? Who said it was in this thread. When you arrive late to a party, don't expect the rest of us to search out everything you missed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #43 December 28, 2008 Quote What was the factor in common with, what, 11,000+ other homicides last year A person wanted to commit a crime. How much you wanna bet that those 11,000+ other homicides all required a person to pull the trigger also? QuoteDo you have any idea how STUPID it is to compare guns with motor vehicles? Do you have any idea how stupid it is to blame a tool for the actions of the user? QuoteIncorrect. They are used to transport people. Very few are used to kill people. Very few guns are used to kill people as well (in both raw numbers and percentage). Your arguments are getting worse. 200M cars 192M guns 40k killed by cars 30k deaths from guns... Over HALF were suicides (55%). So, both the raw number of deaths AND the percentage of deaths are LOWER with gun ownership...And that is true even if you include suicides. Even swimming pools kill more than guns....100 to 1 in fact. QuoteYou haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Him claiming all you have is rhetoric is dead on...It does not take long to peg you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #44 December 28, 2008 Quote 200M cars 192M guns 40k killed by cars 30k deaths from guns... Over HALF were suicides (55%). ... Even swimming pools kill more than guns....100 to 1 in fact. huh? 3 million dead? I'm guessing you mean accidental deaths, though even then I doubt it's 100:1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 December 28, 2008 QuoteWell, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions? Don't sweat it, bro - you'll never him to actually commit to anything, just the normal 'OMG guns are teh bad' rhetoric. You get used to it after a while.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #46 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. We have FORTY THOUSAND fatalities from other peoples' motorized playthings. White people with an average chance of murder risk factors like being in a youth gang are SIX TIMES more likely to die by one of these play things than they are to be murdered with a gun. With such a huge problem, why focus on guns? Very few people need to own their own vehicle. Professionals like contractors and chaufers need to own trucks and cars. The rest of us can move within walking or bicycling distance of a bus stop or train station. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #47 December 28, 2008 I've always been curious why it is when people get killed with guns the anti-gun groups always say we need more gun laws instead of more murder laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gregpso 1 #48 December 28, 2008 You will never convince the good folk in the USA to change their gun laws. Any politician that does gets thrown out of office. Its part of the culture their. The gun folksQuote will argue their should have been guns in the house so someone could have killed this horrible person before he finished his job. Difficult to argue against. If one of the guests had a gun within easy reach it could have been over quickly If no one was expecting Santa to turn up If IF IF only lots of things I suppose. Burn in hell you bastard.I tend to be a bit different. enjoyed my time in the sport or is it an industry these days ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #49 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Well, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions? Who said it was in this thread. When you arrive late to a party, don't expect the rest of us to search out everything you missed. Well, Mr. Kallend, when a person participates in an online forum, such as this one, there is the expectation that other people will join at various times and will not have had the pleasure of reading everything you wrote in the past. Doing a quick search using "kallend guns" returned almost 1000 posts. Though muct better than reading through your almost 30000 posts over the last 7 years it is still far too many for you to realistically expect a person to read through when you could give them the same information in a couple lines of text. In summary, don't assume everyone has read everything you ever posted. It is a ridiculous assumption to make. The only thing I assumed was that you would actually back up your position with substance, but I guess I was wrong. So, with that in mind, I'll just assume you are only here to troll and that you have no meaningful contribution to make to the discussion.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #50 December 28, 2008 Quote I've always been curious why it is when people get killed with guns the anti-gun groups always say we need more gun laws instead of more murder laws. Can you provide a cite for that factoid? Or did you just make it up?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Belgian_Draft 0 #49 December 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen 11,000 murders a year are committed with home made flame throwers... You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Well, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions? Who said it was in this thread. When you arrive late to a party, don't expect the rest of us to search out everything you missed. Well, Mr. Kallend, when a person participates in an online forum, such as this one, there is the expectation that other people will join at various times and will not have had the pleasure of reading everything you wrote in the past. Doing a quick search using "kallend guns" returned almost 1000 posts. Though muct better than reading through your almost 30000 posts over the last 7 years it is still far too many for you to realistically expect a person to read through when you could give them the same information in a couple lines of text. In summary, don't assume everyone has read everything you ever posted. It is a ridiculous assumption to make. The only thing I assumed was that you would actually back up your position with substance, but I guess I was wrong. So, with that in mind, I'll just assume you are only here to troll and that you have no meaningful contribution to make to the discussion.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #50 December 28, 2008 Quote I've always been curious why it is when people get killed with guns the anti-gun groups always say we need more gun laws instead of more murder laws. Can you provide a cite for that factoid? Or did you just make it up?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
