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Such a waiver as you described would, with a high degree of probability, be unenforceable because such consent would be likely brought about by duress. Which is a bit ironic in this situation.
The big point in this though is not "don't help people.". The point is "do no further harm." If you see a car wreck, you can go investigate. Ask questions. Comfort them. And don't try to extract them.
If the car is on fire, odds are that you will do no harm by pulling them out. You've prevented further harm.
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The big point in this though is not "don't help people.". The point is "do no further harm." If you see a car wreck, you can go investigate. Ask questions. Comfort them. And don't try to extract them.
If the car is on fire, odds are that you will do no harm by pulling them out. You've prevented further harm.
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The big point in this though is not "don't help people.". The point is "do no further harm." If you see a car wreck, you can go investigate. Ask questions. Comfort them. And don't try to extract them.
So what hope for this being appealed further and fixed, short of waiting for a contradictory ruling on a different case?
The hope is that the legislature passes a law. The legislature frequently passes a law expressly to counter a court decision.
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QuoteIf the car is on fire, odds are that you will do no harm by pulling them out.
That's the problem. As stated previously, airbags make a smokey smell and there is some smoke and dust in the air from them. People instantly think that the car is simply seconds away from bursting wildly into flames. Which is typically not true. Yes, some cars do catch fire. Some cars have exploded. There have been some serious lawsuits about it (saddle bag gas tanks and Crown Victorias for example).
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Quoteall 'cast members' sign a contract saying they will NOT help anyone in trouble, if a kid falls into a body of water, they are NOT to even throw a life raft. *I just laughed at that and always told myself I would help the person*
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No person in their right mind would not help. But if the life raft they throw ends up knocking the person out, at least Disney has their ass covered since they told you not to.
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Tell that to my friends wife who's only son was burned alive last yr. in an auto accident. And as far a slow down and take your time. Fuck you. I was first on a scene a fews yrs. back. Lady lost control and took a light pole in her door. I couldn't get her out even if I were to have tried. She was fucked up. Firetruck showed up , ah, 10 mins. or so. They start getting dressed and shit REAL SLOW. Fucking lady is DIEING in front of me. I yell "Hurry up guys, this lady is dieing. " They couldn't give a fuck. I left the scene one pissed of motherfucker. Talked to the hospital later and the lady survived. My point is if you can help, help and help quick. Secs matter sometimes. Fuck a law. Go take some CPR/ first responder classes. You may need them one day. Peace out. KevinQuoteI guess that everyone has seen too many T.V progs, where just about every car crash ends in a ball of flame!!
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If the car is on fire, odds are that you will do no harm by pulling them out. You've prevented further harm.
If the car is on fire, odds are that nobody is getting anybody out. I agree that not every crash ends in fire, but the ones that do can be bad news. Is a ruptured (full) gas tank enough reason to move someone?
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But what do I know?
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QuoteAnd if you do help someone out in spite of this, use a false name and exit stage right ASAP.
Better yet, do what the dropzones do. Carry an eight page waiver and a videocam around with you. Then if you stop for an accident, cram the waiver and a pen through the window (but DON'T break the window to do this, knock politely). Then MAKE them watch a video of your lawyer explaining what the waiver means. You can have a lawyer video loaded into either your videocam or cell phone, preferably both, since you never know. Then start filming the victim as you ask them whether they understood the waiver and the lawyer video. Ask them to state their name, the date, and that they agree to the terms of your waiver, and that they are in fact requesting your assistance, then film them as they sign it.
And meanwhile, if the car does catch fire, or the victim is not old enough to sign a legal contract, be sure to bring a bag of marshmallows with you, you can always offer one to the cops when they arrive.
Sadly even that may not work as they could claim they were forced to sign it "under duress and under influence" due to the situation.
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Also, do a google search for burning cars and you will find many cases where people were pulled from burning cars and some where people died in burning cars.
QuoteGo take some CPR/ first responder classes. You may need them one day. Peace out. Kevin
I think that's the best advice. Then you at least know what you're doing and could avoid further harm. My wife was a CPR instructor and had the opportunity to save someone's life on the side of the road while others just stood and watched. Educate yourself whenever possible.
Does the law state anything about providing assistance beyond your level of knowledge or ability? So, if you know CPR then that's fine but attempting a trach with a ball point pen can make you liable for causing further harm.
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I am a first responder and you are continually taught in the class that you must ask if they want help, if they say no then you can't help no matter how bad it is. Should they pass out then there is "implied consent" (I think its called that) and you can help. Its still a messed up situation as say someone may be bleeding out and freaking out saying "don't touch it! don't touch it!" but by the time they pass out so you can help they may have lost so much blood they die.
Also, what if there was a burning vehicle and someone died in it. Could someone be sued by the family for not helping if they could have. Lets say that this person had called 911 proving they were there and observed it all for a certain amount of time before the guy burned up?
Also, what if there was a burning vehicle and someone died in it. Could someone be sued by the family for not helping if they could have. Lets say that this person had called 911 proving they were there and observed it all for a certain amount of time before the guy burned up?
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