Violence

[kbordson 8]

I was reading in a different forum about a thread where a person posted that they were in a relationship and needed advice. That person mentioned that, in the course of an argument, certain events happened. BUT... it is mentioned that he/she was never personally hit or choked.

The comments in that forum are QUITE different from what I see in THIS forum about what "violence" is.

So I'm curious.


Hypothetical situation (MEANING... NO. My husband does NOT respond physically when we argue)

I'm in a fight with my husband. Very angry. Lots of emotion. Yelling. crying. He gets frustrated and grabs the closest thing next to him to pitch at me for emphasis.

Which of the above objects are "violent"?

[jimmytavino 16]

All of them....

even words,, when THROWN at someone, can be violent..

It is not the article,, it is the act....

peace....
"quickly becoming the most sought after, yet difficult to acquire commodity in existence."
hell, we can't even accomplish it in our own cities and communities,,,,,,what makes us think we can simply "make it happen", in foreign countries???... especially the ones, in which we are NOT welcome....

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[lawrocket 3]

I think that it is the act itself. The throwing of anything in the context that you provided is intended to send a message.

It is a violent act. The projectile used merely indicates the damage that is intended.

My thoughts.

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[diablopilot 2]

There is a line that is crossed and that's when a object is thrown. It is intended to cause physical harm, that's violent behavior.

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[Coreece 190]

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Which of the above objects are "violent"?

All, but throwing a pillow could lead to that make-up sex we're all hoping for.....

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[Amazon 7]

So basically if the journalist had thrown flowers ( As W feels he is entitled to as the liberator of Iraq) instead of a shoe, you would be good with that. We get it.

[diablopilot 2]

I'm pretty sure that's not what she's saying at all. I think that throwing anything in anger is wrong. I can't say I don't understand his motivations, but it's still violence, and violence as an aggressive action rarely resolves any conflict.

Violence may eliminate conflict, but too often the escalation associated with that elimination produces unwanted or unfortunate side effects.

Violence as a defensive measure often eliminates conflict at the moment, but often produces more conflict down the road.

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[akarunway 1]

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I was reading in a different forum about a thread where a person posted that they were in a relationship and needed advice. That person mentioned that, in the course of an argument, certain events happened. BUT... it is mentioned that he/she was never personally hit or choked.

The comments in that forum are QUITE different from what I see in THIS forum about what "violence" is.

So I'm curious.


Hypothetical situation (MEANING... NO. My husband does NOT respond physically when we argue)

I'm in a fight with my husband. Very angry. Lots of emotion. Yelling. crying. He gets frustrated and grabs the closest thing next to him to pitch at me for emphasis.

Which of the above objects are "violent"?

Depends on what you do w/ the objects. I could kill you w/ any one of them. Therefore they should all be banned by law.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
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Than never to have loved at all.

[kelpdiver 2]

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There is a line that is crossed and that's when a object is thrown. It is intended to cause physical harm, that's violent behavior.

The line may be crossed sooner than that. Pointing a gun at someone is a violent act, even before you fire it. Cocking the arm back with a vase as a means to end debate is in the similar vein.

Holding a nerf football - not quite the same.

[skydyvr 0]

It's clear the Iraqi engaged in violence with a capital V when he threw the shoes at Bush, despite weak arguments to the contrary by a very few. Relax.

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[Amazon 7]

Ok how about if he threw about 2000 pounds of flowers from above the podium... I guess that might be violent.

[caress 0]

violence is what it is my dear. if someone is huckin stuff at you to make a point, it is an act of violence. There are better ways to accomplish things than an argument. I am very blessed. My husband and I dont go to the argument. We know that only calm discussions can move any obsticle we face along to a constructive resolution. It is a major part of growing up and growing within a marriage/relationship. He is my best friend in the whole world. I would not ever want to hurt him, what would that solve?-Just my honest opinion-Suzanne

I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being
right.

[skydyvr 0]

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Ok how about if he threw about 2000 pounds of flowers from above the podium... I guess that might be violent.

That would have been MUCH better because it would have been effective -- effective as in squashing the CIC.

If you're going to commit the "sin" of violence, why not at least get a positive result.

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[kbordson 8]

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So basically if the journalist had thrown flowers ( As W feels he is entitled to as the liberator of Iraq) instead of a shoe, you would be good with that. We get it.

Amazon

Are you really understanding it that way or are you just trying to be cute? As Diablopilot pointed out... No. That wasn't my point.

My point honestly is that NONE of the OBJECTS are violent. The act of the person throwing something is the violent part of it.

But if someone thinks that shoes are ok? What else? Where are THAT persons limits? If someone thinks that attacking President Bush is ok then what about attacking a Governor or a City Official or a School Principal? Or what about someone bringing in a knife or a gun to take on the school bully?

Violence is NOT the answer.

If you condone violence, you are part of the problem.

[kelpdiver 2]

I think the best counter example to debate is the pieing of officials. This was done to His Williness (as major of San Francisco) in the late 90s and the assault charges came up, and this debate. Can't recall how it shook out in the end.

Unlike shoes, pies hurt no more than your dignity, though you may honestly fear that there is more to it until the event is over.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

What amazes me is there is an argument about whether a violent act has been committed. History will show that Bush Jr. acted out of anger and premeditation towards Iraq. Yes the violent act is the throwing of a pair of shoes by a journalist.....

Common sense seems to ahve gone completely out the window. Long discussions about petty arguments, while major issue are barely being discussed. No wonder the country is sliding deeper into a shithole second by second....

[caress 0]

How did this...


"I was reading in a different forum about a thread where a person posted that they were in a relationship and needed advice. That person mentioned that, in the course of an argument, certain events happened. BUT... it is mentioned that he/she was never personally hit or choked.

The comments in that forum are QUITE different from what I see in THIS forum about what "violence" is.

So I'm curious.


Hypothetical situation (MEANING... NO. My husband does NOT respond physically when we argue)

I'm in a fight with my husband. Very angry. Lots of emotion. Yelling. crying. He gets frustrated and grabs the closest thing next to him to pitch at me for emphasis.

Which of the above objects are "violent"? "


Turn into a discussion about the shoes thrown at Bush on Dec 15th? -Caress Just curious...

I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being
right.

[Squeak 17]

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So basically if the journalist had thrown flowers ( As W feels he is entitled to as the liberator of Iraq) instead of a shoe, you would be good with that. We get it.

that’s not what she said at all, and in fact has nothing to do with what the OP is about.



FWIW, the act or throwing anything with anger is Violence. including yelling at people.

Who remember the case where i person was charged and convicted of assault for blowing cigarette smoke at someone?

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