If you support use of torture, you support al Qa’eda’s “greatest recruiting tool”
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nerdgirl, in Speakers Corner
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QuoteOn this we agree, but I would not limit my options on how to reach these goals.
The goal is winning the war and leaving a stable country in place. To do anything that does not further the achievent of that goal is counter-productive and self defeating.
nerdgirl 0
QuoteNow back to the THREAD.. we are doing the same over there turning more civilians.. into insurgents.. or as you like to call them terrorists... lookin for a little payback for killing their brother.. or father.. or cousin... over there its about hearts and minds... if you do not win those.. you do not win.. period.
The situation there calls for intellect and intelligence. Violating the GC and violating basic human rights in an occupied country.. is not going to win a stable future.
On this we agree, but I would not limit my options on how to reach these goals.
If the "option" as you call it has been repeatedly shown
LTC James Corum, USA (ret), formerly Army Command: “The torture of suspects [at Abu Ghraib] did not lead to any useful intelligence information being extracted"
*why* do you want to pursue it?
The methodology you are arguing for is counter to the goals you assert. What you are arguing for is making it more difficult for achieving US strategic goals. Why would you want to pursue that?
Absolute condemnation of torture is one of those “reasons people love America” – we don’t lower the bar, in the past and in the future, America should establish and maintain the bar. Because someone else does something does not make it “right” or effective. The US should not try to emulate China, Somalia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan, or any other nation that employs torture.
VR/Marg
Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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jakee 1,594
Quotehuman nature. everyone has a breaking point, and the trick is to find that and find the path to that. torture is any means that makes someone give out what they don't want to, not all torture is violent, but all forced extractions are torture.
What did you see, read, &/or experience that leads you to believe that the information gained at that point will be accurate?
No, he wasn't - and he gave no sign that he was going to bomb anything. But you saw him near explosives, and you thought he might use them later.
Would you do it? Or would you take the chance that he might use those explosives for a bombing later?
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