Now this is leadership!

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Well... maybe not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7777178.stm

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cholera is NOT the issue

it is a SYMPTOM of the issue...

which is
.....poor infrastructure, nonpotable water, filthy sanitary conditions,,,, inability to get food supplies and medicine to where they are needed...in other words....BAD government and bad govt. services...

I bet Mugabe has clean clothes, and water, and a fancy place to live.

typical poverty stricken country.. with a despot at the helm.
he simply SAYS..... we "have it under control".... so then it must BE....
he's a bum.

j

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cholera is NOT the issue

it is a SYMPTOM of the issue...

which is
.....poor infrastructure, nonpotable water, filthy sanitary conditions,,,, inability to get food supplies and medicine to where they are needed...in other words....BAD government and bad govt. services...

I bet Mugabe has clean clothes, and water, and a fancy place to live.

typical poverty stricken country.. with a despot at the helm.
he simply SAYS..... we "have it under control".... so then it must BE....
he's a bum.

j

The sad thing is that Zimbabwe is not the typical poverty stricken country. Before Mugabe came to power, Zim was considered the bread basket of Africa. It still has all the potential, but with that mad megalomaniac in charge, well, we can see the results.

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I'll readily admit that I less than nothing about the internal politics of the country - but I can recognise a loony leader when I see one. He appears to have little or no respect for his fellow countrymen and does not bow to internal or external political pressure.
If ever a country needed external help it's this one.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I'll readily admit that I less than nothing about the internal politics of the country - but I can recognise a loony leader when I see one. He appears to have little or no respect for his fellow countrymen and does not bow to internal or external political pressure.
If ever a country needed external help it's this one.

That help must come from Africans, there is no other choice. Zimbabwe will welcome European help the same way the Americans would have accepted the British coming in to clean up their civil war. The problem is that Mugabe is a Pan African liberation hero and seems to be untouchable.
Very sad.

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I agree, I believe that it should come from Africa, in the first instance but if they ask for help we should do what we can to save lives.

Maybe he should slip on a bar of soap .... down some stairs (not that I'd condone murder ..... per se)

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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That help must come from Africans, there is no other choice. Zimbabwe will welcome European help the same way the Americans would have accepted the British coming in to clean up their civil war. The problem is that Mugabe is a Pan African liberation hero and seems to be untouchable.
Very sad.

Exactly. The only African countries that have had the guts to demand that Mugabe steps down were Kenya and Botswana. My own lame duck Presidents, both past and present, are in the best position to do something, but they don't have the stomach. They would rather deal with the many thousands of Zimbabweans who are in SA illegally. They would rather deal with a cholera epidemic in the north. But confront him? They are too yellow.

While I too do not condone murder, killing Mugabe would be more like exterminating rabid vermin than murder. He is responsible for the deaths of many thousands of his own people, whether by having his army kill them, or letting them die from starvation, or letting them die from diseases like cholera.

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No one helps because no one cares. At least, not in the halls of power that make such decisions to send troops and/or aid to cure these ills. What does the EU gain by helping? or the states?

SA could do something but what is the down side if they don’t? More people in there illegally. (although, I did catch a story on Sky News that SA is now being hit with Cholera?)

Unless it hits you (us) in the (lethal) wallet area we generally don’t do anything, and that sucks.

NATO, the US, France, Britain, India and Russia all now have naval warships, expensive to build and costly to run, protecting shipping in the gulf of Aden. It hits those countries in the wallet so they react. This situation in Zimbabwe ranks less than the ships? More world reaction to that?

Maybe we dislike pirates more than Mugabe ... No two ways about it, that guy should meet the business end of a sniper rifle.

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...(although, I did catch a story on Sky News that SA is now being hit with Cholera?)

Indeed.I alluded to it in my previous post. Cholera has also been detected in Botswana, Zambia and Mozambique - all countries that border on Zimbabwe.

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The international community seem unanimous that "Something MUST be done, and someone else MUST do it!

Mugabe has so completely mismanaged Rhodesia in the interests of nepotism that the basic services are breaking down (a task only matched bu Idi Amin in Uganda and the combined efforts of The Nazis & Red Army in Berlin).

The problem now is that anyone foolish enough to go in to effect the Regime-Change would also be morally obliged to clean up the mess that Mugabe has created. Not only would they be left withthe cost of rebuilding an entire country from the ground up, but it would be in the face of emergent conflicting politics. For example, how would they administer the return of "nationalised" farms to their original effective ownership & management?

AS Kenya learned in Uganda, and The First World is learning in Iraq & Afghanistan, the reconstruction of a country is an expensive poisoned chalice. Hence their attempts to contain the problems of Zimbabwe while hoping that Mugabe will be ousted by internal uprising. It's cheaper and safer that way.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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The international community seem unanimous that "Something MUST be done, and someone else MUST do it!

Ain't that the sad truth?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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The international community seem unanimous that "Something MUST be done, and someone else MUST do it!

Ain't that the sad truth?

Yes, but realistically, does anyone feel that THEIR country should take up such a challenge?

As far as the countries bordering Zimbabwe are concerned, it is far cheaper & safer in the short to medium term to try & mitigate the problems which spill over their borders than to go in and solve the root cause.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.