BIGUN 1,490 #26 December 11, 2008 Personally, I am astounded at the dichotomy of positions by so many in the field of science. I mean these people are paid to use some form of scientific methodology to form a conclusion. To me, a non-scientist looking from the outside in; should it not be a form of Boolean Logic - a simple Yes or No, True or False. According to Wired Science, "China's 2030 CO2 Emissions Could Equal the Entire World's Today." http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/02/chinas-2030-co2.html Over 550 coal plants as of today in China alone and growing. That goes into "our" atmosphere, not just theirs. I just know that I would rather err to the side that global warming is true and be wrong, than to err to the side that global warming is false and be wrong. What harm does it cause to try to make our atmosphere cleaner. What harm does it cause to future generations if we do something; rather than nothing? Imagine a world where we spend 50% of what we spend on wars improving the environment. Cleaning the rivers, the oceans, how we handle our billions of tons of waste, etc. Call me an environmentalist if you will. All I know is when I went on "walkabout" in Alaska and having hiked about 60 miles in the middle of nowhere only to stumble across an old rusty beer can... it makes one wonder. Anyway, I ramble. Out.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #27 December 11, 2008 Quote Over 550 coal plants as of today in China alone and growing. That goes into "our" atmosphere, not just theirs. . Take a walk through any Wal-Mart and see where the products are made. China's emissions are really US emissions that have been outsourced, along with our manufacturing capability and jobs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,592 #28 December 11, 2008 Quote Personally, I am astounded at the dichotomy of positions by so many in the field of science. I mean these people are paid to use some form of scientific methodology to form a conclusion. To me, a non-scientist looking from the outside in; should it not be a form of Boolean Logic - a simple Yes or No, True or False Only rarely is it that easy. I'm no scientist (rocket or otherwise ), but some of the stuff is only really clear if all of the context is known. For instance, gravity. It's the law. Except when ... and when ... and when ... As we learn new exceptions, it sounds shakier and shakier. Except that, well, when you drop something, it pretty much always goes down. Unless you're on the vomit comet There's a whole lot of data, and we're just not smart enough to assimilate all of it exactly right. And in things like global warming, we're still talking about predicting the future. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,490 #29 December 11, 2008 QuoteTake a walk through any Wal-Mart and see where the products are made. China's emissions are really US emissions that have been outsourced, along with our manufacturing capability and jobs. Professor, I can assure you that I am well aware of our contribution to the Chinese machine. You really don't want to wind me up about that one unless you want to start a new thread.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #30 December 11, 2008 Quote Personally, I am astounded at the dichotomy of positions by so many in the field of science. I mean these people are paid to use some form of scientific methodology to form a conclusion. My opinion is no one is agreeing on what is actually being measured, and how it's being measured.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #31 December 12, 2008 QuoteQuote Over 550 coal plants as of today in China alone and growing. That goes into "our" atmosphere, not just theirs. . Take a walk through any Wal-Mart and see where the products are made. China's emissions are really US emissions that have been outsourced, along with our manufacturing capability and jobs. So now China's emissions are our fault? You really do hate this country, don't you? I think it honestly pleases you to see Americans fail. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #32 December 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote Over 550 coal plants as of today in China alone and growing. That goes into "our" atmosphere, not just theirs. . Take a walk through any Wal-Mart and see where the products are made. China's emissions are really US emissions that have been outsourced, along with our manufacturing capability and jobs. So now China's emissions are our fault? You really do hate this country, don't you? I think it honestly pleases you to see Americans fail. You aren't really that economically naive, are you? Our corporations outsourced to Asia a huge fraction of our manufacturing capability to get around our environmental laws, labor laws, etc. So in order that we can buy cheap products, we have boosted China's manufacturing capacity and energy production from power plants that are far far dirtier than our own. Take that stroll through Wal Mart and see where the stuff you buy is made.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #33 December 12, 2008 Quote>> Bible Spice I'm by now means anti-Palin, but that there is fucking funny. I have to admit, it was the one of the funnier lines I've read in a while. Kudos, Amazon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
