billvon 3,114 #26 December 1, 2008 >a small localised event, is all that could have happened. Interestingly, many cultures/religions have similar deluge stories, often combined with their creation myths. Noah is the most common one. The Babylonians have the story of Gilgamesh, where a king was warned by the water god to build a boat. He did, and saved his family, friends, famous artists and animals. The Greeks and Romans had Deucalion and Pyhrra, who saved themselves and their families from the flood in a big boat shaped like a box. Queen Cesair of Ireland sailed for seven years aboard a big boat when the seas rose to cover Ireland. The Egyptians believed that life began when the waters of a great flood receded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #27 December 1, 2008 QuoteInterestingly, many cultures/religions have similar deluge stories, often combined with their creation myths. Noah is the most common one. The Babylonians have the story of Gilgamesh, where a king was warned by the water god to build a boat. He did, and saved his family, friends, famous artists and animals. The Greeks and Romans had Deucalion and Pyhrra, who saved themselves and their families from the flood in a big boat shaped like a box. Queen Cesair of Ireland sailed for seven years aboard a big boat when the seas rose to cover Ireland. The Egyptians believed that life began when the waters of a great flood receded. Well, if Christians are crazy for giving any credence to that Noah's Ark story, then I guess all those other civilizations and cultures were crazy too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #28 December 2, 2008 I'd guess that the "crazy" part in all of this, is taking them all too literally. They are folk tales, passed down over many generations and like carbon/photo copies each telling adds an irrecoverable error. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #29 December 2, 2008 >Well, if Christians are crazy for giving any credence to that Noah's Ark story, >then I guess all those other civilizations and cultures were crazy too. Or all those cultures share a common story that has drifted from the original a bit after being passed down orally for thousands of years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 December 2, 2008 They all had little Salt Water breathing apparatus... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #31 December 2, 2008 Quote> Or all those cultures share a common story that has drifted from the original a bit after being passed down orally for thousands of years. In the case of the water monster/creation stories of my culture, more like 'hundreds' and only a couple hundred at that. Joseph Campbell clearly demonstrated how virtually every water-related creation story of the North Americas came from corruptions of Christianity fed by explorers. Whether it's Unkteghila or Water Monster stories...they all spring from the same fable (no pun intended). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #32 December 2, 2008 >In the case of the water monster/creation stories of my culture, more like >'hundreds' and only a couple hundred at that. Right, but it had already been passed down in other cultures for far longer than that. The most likely date of the Black Sea flood is around 5600BC, and writing as a means of recording history did not begin until around 3000BC. That's a lot of time for the story to diverge even before it spread to other cultures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #33 December 2, 2008 One only need to look at 2 or 3 News paper views of the same story to start to see how stories "evolve" and that's over an even shorter time period. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #34 December 2, 2008 Agreed, and don't be surprised if Elvis is Jesus in another 1000 years. Imagine...all those velvet Jesus' from Tijuana will become electronic Elvi for future generations. Maybe...they'll even have holographic Elvis! the world would probably be better tho, if John Lennon became the new Jesus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #35 December 2, 2008 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #36 December 2, 2008 Quote don't be surprised if Elvis is Jesus in another 1000 years. I think Santa Claus is beating Elvis in this race... He's already stealing Jesus' thunder.... It started off with a man named Nicholas of Myra that gave secret gifts and became an uncanonized Saint. Now he flies through the sky performing miracles as children eagerly await his presence. Adults are stampeding over eachother just for the chance to be just like him. Its like a Pagan mockery of Christianity....no wonder Satan is always laughing...I mean SantaYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #37 December 2, 2008 Quote>How much water is there and if it was all in liquid form (no Ice, >No clouds), How high would the sea level be? If all the ice in Antarctica melted seas would rise by 200 feet. If Greenland melted they'd rise by another 20. If all the water in the atmosphere was precipitated out you'd get another 2 inches. So worst case it would be under 250 feet of sea level rise. It would flood a lot of the coasts but wouldn't even submerge 20% of the US. Florida, the Mississippi river states and the Southeast would get hit pretty hard though. Where do you find all this stuff? I believe you because it sounds reasonable, you are generally pretty fact oriented and I am too lazy to look it up, but if I tried to find that info on the web, it would take days and I probably still wouldn't have it. If you learned it in school, how do you possibly remember it from so long ago? Really, I'm impressed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #38 December 2, 2008 QuoteQuote>How much water is there and if it was all in liquid form (no Ice, >No clouds), How high would the sea level be? If all the ice in Antarctica melted seas would rise by 200 feet. If Greenland melted they'd rise by another 20. If all the water in the atmosphere was precipitated out you'd get another 2 inches. So worst case it would be under 250 feet of sea level rise. It would flood a lot of the coasts but wouldn't even submerge 20% of the US. Florida, the Mississippi river states and the Southeast would get hit pretty hard though. Where do you find all this stuff? I believe you because it sounds reasonable, you are generally pretty fact oriented and I am too lazy to look it up, but if I tried to find that info on the web, it would take days and I probably still wouldn't have it. If you learned it in school, how do you possibly remember it from so long ago? Really, I'm impressed. A simple Google search for the phrase "If all the ice in Antarctica melted" produced 391 hits in .61 seconds. Most of the hits reflect the numbers Bill quoted above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #39 December 2, 2008 >Where do you find all this stuff? Antarctica and Greenland numbers have been worked out by people wondering how changes in climate can change sea levels, and is available on the web. The rain number is just the amount of water in the atmosphere (I got that from NOAA) divided by the total area of the sea, which is the area of the earth times 70%. (That's not completely accurate since the area of the sea will increase as it rises, but it's pretty close.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #40 December 3, 2008 Quote Oh jeeze, Jakee, do we have to explain evrything to you?? God didn't make mosquitos. Satan made them to trick us into doubting God. OOOHH so that's why there is the gaydom disease? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
