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, I will gladly be a fool for God, than an intellectual with a closed mind.
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I haven't seen any closed minds in this thread yet. I have learned and enjoyed reading the posts. I have a small mind not a closed mind.
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jakee 1,571
QuoteOn a strictly objective perspective, the only other game in town is so depressing and pointless
No it's not. I like life, I think its fun. In fact, I like life so much that I really don't need the prospect of some better place in the future to keep me cheerful. I'm well happy with the opportunities I've got here.
If you find this world so depressing and pointless that you need the promise of a reward from Big Bro to keep you going then I feel genuinely sorry for you.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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So what you are saying here is that the imagined benefits of a mythology are better then reality? "supernaturally complete"?? What you have is imagined benefits. The reason these are imagined is because you are the only one that experiences them. You can't show them to anyone else. No one else can see what you are imagining. There are no real world result from your spirtual "needs" being fulfilled. Prayer is not anything more then wishful thinking.
There is no advantage to believing in a deity.
Your view point is certainly one way of looking at the evidence for God. But as far as I am concerned, I will gladly be a fool for God, than an intellectual with a closed mind.
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The closed mind is the one that chooses to ignore actual physical evidence in favor of imagined evidence. I am very open to the possibility of a deity existing, as soon as there is any real evidence to support it. Evidence that can be tested and repeated using scientific methods, other wise it can't be trusted.
maadmax 0
Please don't be offended, but in my opinion that's rather narrow minded thinking. You are implying that our lives are somehow meaningless without the existence of a Deity. That's just not the case: there are many, many people who lead rich and emotionally fulfilling lives without any such belief. Personally, I have a lot of meaning in my life, and I get along just fine without a belief in any form of Deity. The meaning I do find, however, is meaning that I chose for myself.
Or perhaps you are implying that without some sort of life after death, our lives are meaningless. That's a different issue, but again, I don't think it holds water. We can be activly be engaged in the world, help our fellow human beings, and lead fulfilling lives without the need for some aspect of us to some how float on....
Or perhaps you are implying that without some sort of life after death, our lives are meaningless. That's a different issue, but again, I don't think it holds water. We can be activly be engaged in the world, help our fellow human beings, and lead fulfilling lives without the need for some aspect of us to some how float on....
Point accepted. In the best and worst of circumstances, the brief time we have on this earth is magical and wonderful. But in my view this is only the beginning. The complexity and drama all point to a larger purpose. We all make our way through a confusing array of choices the best we can. Good luck on the path you choose.
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Butters 0
QuoteThe complexity and drama all point to a larger purpose.
So if we were in The Matrix you would be Agent Smith ...
QuoteAgent Smith (Original): But, as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
Agent Smith (Clone 1): It is purpose that created us.
Agent Smith (Clone 2): Purpose that connects us.
Agent Smith (Clone 3): Purpose that pulls us.
Agent Smith (Clone 4): That guides us.
Agent Smith (Clone 5): That drives us.
Agent Smith (Clone 6): It is purpose that defines us.
Agent Smith (Clone 7): Purpose that binds us.
Agent Smith (Original): We are here because of you, Mr Anderson. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us.
Agent Smith (Original): Purpose.
I think being created for a purpose limits our value because if we are created for a purpose and the purpose is fulfilled than we no longer have any value.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
maadmax 0
--So if we were in The Matrix you would be Agent Smith ...
Rubbish!
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Could be why the Matrix was so popular, it mirrored concerns present in the real world.
No, I didn't identify with Agent Smith.
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--I think being created for a purpose limits our value because if we are created for a purpose and the purpose is fulfilled than we no longer have any value.
Rubbish!
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billvon 3,090
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>Could be why the Matrix was so popular, it mirrored concerns present in the real world.
And mirrored Christianity, oddly enough.
And mirrored Christianity, oddly enough.
br0k3n 0
QuoteYour view point is certainly one way of looking at the evidence for God.
What evidence??
QuoteBut as far as I am concerned, I will gladly be a fool for God, than an intellectual with a closed mind
I am afraid it is not us heathen unbelievers that are close minded. Myself I will gladly change my belief and accept the baby jesus into my life when we have evidence to support the mythology. Right now some 2000 years after his alleged life we still do not have a single shred of evidence, no one has found the Holy Grail, The Ark of the covenant, Noahs Ark or in fact any archeological relic that can be linked to the story of Jesus… There is no evidence that prayer works, in fact it has been proven quite clearly to not work. No one can prove unequivocally that any miracles have ever occurred. No one has seen god, and hes is far to busy it would seem to pop down to earth and just say “hi everyone”… people constantly talk about spiritualism and the human soul, but yet no evidence at all there is such a thing…
There are some 22 major religions today to choose from, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Chinese Traditional Religion, Shinto, Rastafarianism, Scientology the list goes on. All with their sacred books and all quite different. But there is one thing they have in common, the complete and utter lack of evidence to support them.
Everyday science it helping us understand more and more about our world, and every day is taking over responsibility once held by the gods. An example would DNA and Molecular Biology is helping us confirm Darwin’s theory of evolution, and at the same time dismissing the re-branded creationism theory of “Intelligent Design”
So im sorry god/gods if you want my tick in the box then stop being so bloody difficult to believe in, SO ME THE MONEY…….
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maadmax 0
--So im sorry god/gods if you want my tick in the box then stop being so bloody difficult to believe in, SO ME THE MONEY.
Believe me, I wished things worked as simply as you request. But for the present time, if you wish to know God , you must know Him in spirit. And of course, it is up to you to acknowledge your spirit or not.
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Believe me, I wished things worked as simply as you request. But for the present time, if you wish to know God , you must know Him in spirit. And of course, it is up to you to acknowledge your spirit or not.
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Butters 0
QuoteQuoteI think being created for a purpose limits our value because if we are created for a purpose and the purpose is fulfilled than we no longer have any value.
Rubbish!
Why is it rubbish?
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
QuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't waste my time worrying about what other people may or may not think, if I were you. Instead your time would be much better spent addressing the issues of your own existence and conduct and relationship with those whose opinions and decisions you respect and admire.
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This is one of the best posts I have read in the 1000+ discussions about religion in this forum...
Nonsense. You can't worry about a relationship with a fictional being.
Feel better? I was referring to the need that people seem to have to tell others how to think. Keep it to yourself (Christian, Muslim, Aetheist, FSM, whatever) and we'll ALL be better off.
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maadmax 0
Why is it rubbish?
First off your value is intrinsic. You as an individual have great value whether or not you choose to utilize your innate gifts. Choosing to fulfill the destiny God has laid out before you returns the blessing of your creation and gives Him the glory.
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Butters 0
QuoteQuoteWhy is it rubbish?
First off your value is intrinsic. You as an individual have great value whether or not you choose to utilize your innate gifts. Choosing to fulfill the destiny God has laid out before you returns the blessing of your creation and gives Him the glory.
Now that is rubbish ...
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
billvon 3,090
> Choosing to fulfill the destiny God has laid out before you returns
>the blessing of your creation and gives Him the glory.
The problem is that some people fulfill the destiny that God laid out for them by strapping on explosives and walking into a shopping center.
>the blessing of your creation and gives Him the glory.
The problem is that some people fulfill the destiny that God laid out for them by strapping on explosives and walking into a shopping center.
There's a documentary on PBS right now about Jesus & the early Christians.
Speed Racer
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maadmax 0
The problem is that some people fulfill the destiny that God laid out for them by strapping on explosives and walking into a shopping center.
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So they say.
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I am counting on their concept of god to be incorrect, as are many other human contrived descriptions of God. Who they create as a means of furthering their own lusts.
maadmax 0
--Why is it rubbish?
First off your value is intrinsic. You as an individual have great value whether or not you choose to utilize your innate gifts. Choosing to fulfill the destiny God has laid out before you returns the blessing of your creation and gives Him the glory.
First off your value is intrinsic. You as an individual have great value whether or not you choose to utilize your innate gifts. Choosing to fulfill the destiny God has laid out before you returns the blessing of your creation and gives Him the glory.
--Now that is rubbish ...
Which part?
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Please don't be offended, but in my opinion that's rather narrow minded thinking. You are implying that our lives are somehow meaningless without the existence of a Deity. That's just not the case: there are many, many people who lead rich and emotionally fulfilling lives without any such belief. Personally, I have a lot of meaning in my life, and I get along just fine without a belief in any form of Deity. The meaning I do find, however, is meaning that I chose for myself.
Or perhaps you are implying that without some sort of life after death, our lives are meaningless. That's a different issue, but again, I don't think it holds water. We can be activly be engaged in the world, help our fellow human beings, and lead fulfilling lives without the need for some aspect of us to some how float on. Besides, what could "spirit" possibly be? It couldn't be "us" as we think of "ourselves". We've seen that if certain portions of the brain are damaged or die, personalities, memories, attitudes, etc., can change, which is highly indicative of anything that we think of as our "self" is directly tied to the function of a brain. If my brain ceases to function but something were somehow to survive that, I would propose to you that the surviving thing would have so little to do with what I may think of as "me" that I couldn't think of it as "me".
I'm not saying it's impossible. I just ascribe to the theory that extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence, and no one has presented that evidence to me, at least.
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