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maadmax 0
I agree - although animals other than man exhibit it as well.
No argument here. Which is why I consider all life precious and sacred. I have observed many animals operating on a higher moral plane than members of our own species. It appears that our species is unique, in that we can make judgements between moral absolutes, good and evil. Some of us choose well, other do not.
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maadmax 0
QuoteI dunno, I'm not a doctor or anything but I would venture a guess and say that it is a similar reason to why your calculator resets to zero when you take out the batteries. So its not like a computer where it write to a hard drive and can bring it back, but more like a basic calculator that only remembers things when it has power supplied to it.
Or maybe it is still there and we just don't have the capabilities to read it yet.
I am a doctor, and although your analogy is good for electronic equipment, it does not cross over and explain how the neurological system functions.
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QuoteQuoteI dunno, I'm not a doctor or anything but I would venture a guess and say that it is a similar reason to why your calculator resets to zero when you take out the batteries. So its not like a computer where it write to a hard drive and can bring it back, but more like a basic calculator that only remembers things when it has power supplied to it.
Or maybe it is still there and we just don't have the capabilities to read it yet.
I am a doctor, and although your analogy is good for electronic equipment, it does not cross over and explain how the neurological system functions.
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So because it can't be explained, you think it's because of god?
billvon 3,110
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> It appears that our species is unique, in that we can make judgements
> between moral absolutes, good and evil.
Not so sure about that. We've seen animals do things for no reason other than they are the right thing to do. Gorillas save human children when they are endangered, and will even protect them from other gorillas. Dolphins will shepherd lost and injured whales back out to sea after they have beached themselves. Monkeys will try to warn other monkeys of impending danger even if that endangers them.
Is that instinct, or an understanding of right and wrong? It's hard to argue that gorillas evolved any sort of instinct to help humans, or that dolphins benefit by saving whales.
> between moral absolutes, good and evil.
Not so sure about that. We've seen animals do things for no reason other than they are the right thing to do. Gorillas save human children when they are endangered, and will even protect them from other gorillas. Dolphins will shepherd lost and injured whales back out to sea after they have beached themselves. Monkeys will try to warn other monkeys of impending danger even if that endangers them.
Is that instinct, or an understanding of right and wrong? It's hard to argue that gorillas evolved any sort of instinct to help humans, or that dolphins benefit by saving whales.
maadmax 0
So because it can't be explained, you think it's because of god?
Medical science does a very good job of identifying when an organisms is alive and when it is not. But it is totally incapable of explaining what leaves the body when life is no longer present. Life may not be proof of God, but as far as I am concerned it lends strong support for the existence of a spirit that
when housed in a functional body, produces life.
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Medical science does a very good job of identifying when an organisms is alive and when it is not. But it is totally incapable of explaining what leaves the body when life is no longer present. Life may not be proof of God, but as far as I am concerned it lends strong support for the existence of a spirit that
when housed in a functional body, produces life.
Nice circular reasoning. Paraphrased, you claim that life is support for the existence of a spirit that produces life.
Feelings and self awareness is not the same as a spirit. I call those things "feelings and self awareness". I think, and have reasonable evidence to support, that these things are caused by chemicals secreted by our bodies in response in environmental stimuli. You are claiming that our feelings and emotions are a product of a supernatural, invisible, undetectable force that you call a spirit
Not trying to put words into your mouth, but that is about how you sound to a lot of other people.
maadmax 0
--Feelings and self awareness is not the same as a spirit. I call those things "feelings and self awareness". I think, and have reasonable evidence to support, that these things are caused by chemicals secreted by our bodies in response in environmental stimuli. You are claiming that our feelings and emotions are a product of a supernatural, invisible, undetectable force that you call a spirit
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Neurotransmitters, brain anatomy and overall health can affect the thoughts we think. I think it takes something much more to incorporate the input of our senses and create a personal reality, like we all do. Bodily fluids or chemicals can't create awareness or understanding. That is a metaphysical trait, and requires a metaphysical explanation.
And yes, so far that part of our intellect has been undetectable. But its presence is easy to observe
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Channman 2
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Have you looked at the site? Is there ANYTHING you find just plain silly? I now find my self wanting to know more about the bible as I find it truly fascinating how most Christian do not even know the language(s) it was written in or who even wrote it. How the four gospels all give different and conflicting accounts of Christ life.
I clicked on the site and read enough of the commentaries to see they were made by ignorant people trying to sound intelligent.
Very funny: Christianity appeals directly to ignorance.
From is first inaugural address, George Washington had this to say.
"...it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge."
President Washington was far from being ignorant, just a man with firm convictions that he lived by.
billvon 3,110
> I think it takes something much more to incorporate the input of
>our senses and create a personal reality, like we all do.
It does indeed. It requires the interplay of neurotransmitters, electrical potentials and retrainable synapses all based upon a substrate onto which the basics (body awareness, instincts, reflexes and pattern recognition) have already been programmed. However, it does not require anything "undescribable." We discover more about the brain every day that explains another facet of how we perceive and react to the world.
>our senses and create a personal reality, like we all do.
It does indeed. It requires the interplay of neurotransmitters, electrical potentials and retrainable synapses all based upon a substrate onto which the basics (body awareness, instincts, reflexes and pattern recognition) have already been programmed. However, it does not require anything "undescribable." We discover more about the brain every day that explains another facet of how we perceive and react to the world.
jclalor 12
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813 (see Positive Atheism's Historical section)
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813 (see Positive Atheism's Historical section)
caldefly 0
I really respect everyone's beliefs about God... Most of you that give opinions have not even taken the time to read the Bible and I can tell ( not trying to be disrespectful ) . I challenge you to ask God for a proof of his existence and I will guarantee you it will happen. I hope you don't wait until you have cancer or any other challenging situation in your life to realize that there is a Living God . There are thousands of miracles that have happened around the world, i myself have witness one. All I can say is that God changed my life and i consider my self a better man .... Don't even think for a minute that the perfection of the earth is the result of a " BIG BANG " ... Have you ever wonder why the earth rotates at the same speed all the time, why the sun rises every morning and lights up your day, why you exist? ...The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank. God exist whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God. Well my fellow skydivers , I chose to believe in god because i have experience his power. God Bless you all
Luis F Calderon
Luis F Calderon
" THE SKY IS THE LIMIT "
caldefly 0
For all of you that don't beleive in God I invite you to read this:Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.
But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.
When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...
1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
2. Does God exist? The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?
3. Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?
Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.
But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.
When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...
1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
2. Does God exist? The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?
3. Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?
Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.
" THE SKY IS THE LIMIT "
labrys 0
Your argument works 2 ways. If there was a god with intent to design, why are we the only planet in our solar system with intelligent life (that we've identified anyway)?
A "designer" could easily make Mars or Jupiter support life like ours.
It happens that we evolved from a set of perfect and imperfect circumstances.
A designer could overcome the problems you describe.
A "designer" could easily make Mars or Jupiter support life like ours.
It happens that we evolved from a set of perfect and imperfect circumstances.
A designer could overcome the problems you describe.
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billvon 3,110
>Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate
>Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Actually, no. Every time we find something that just HAD to be designed by God (like the Giant's Causeway) it turns out to be the result of natural forces.
>The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds
>a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles
>above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be
>impossible, like the planet Mercury.
Titan is much smaller than earth and has an even denser atmosphere.
>If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.
Right. So? We have no problem breathing an atmosphere with some hydrogen in it. If the hydrogen content of an oxygen atmosphere was high enough, the first lightning strike would burn it all off and convert it to water. And unless you believe in Thor, that's a natural event.
>Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on
>Earth impossible.
Given that we have found life in 500F degree ocean vents and inside rocks in Antarctica - a fractional variance would pose no problems to some forms of life on earth.
>The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate.
The Coriolis force is what causes ocean currents, and prevents the oceans from "stagnating."
>Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our
>Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and
>then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean
>waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind
>to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a
>system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system
>of recycled and reused water.
Right. And it all operates on well-understood natural principles. No god required.
> How does one explain the human brain?
Evolution. We see a clear path from the brain of a flatworm to our brain expressed in other organisms.
>Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
>The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about
>by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of
>rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank
>dice is something else.
Correct. But evolution does not require rolling "blank faces." It just requires billions upon billions of rolls of the dice to get the perfect run of all sixes.
>What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life
>cannot arise from non-life.
Incorrect. Organic molecules have been synthesized from inorganic materials using nothing more than a mixture of early atmosphere, water, heat and lightning.
>Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise
>information contained in human DNA.
Most human DNA is junk DNA that is not expressed, and is merely leftover information from the process of mutation and selection.
> A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this
>came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is
>intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.
Correct. No one is claiming that evolution is "luck."
>Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Actually, no. Every time we find something that just HAD to be designed by God (like the Giant's Causeway) it turns out to be the result of natural forces.
>The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds
>a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles
>above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be
>impossible, like the planet Mercury.
Titan is much smaller than earth and has an even denser atmosphere.
>If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.
Right. So? We have no problem breathing an atmosphere with some hydrogen in it. If the hydrogen content of an oxygen atmosphere was high enough, the first lightning strike would burn it all off and convert it to water. And unless you believe in Thor, that's a natural event.
>Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on
>Earth impossible.
Given that we have found life in 500F degree ocean vents and inside rocks in Antarctica - a fractional variance would pose no problems to some forms of life on earth.
>The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate.
The Coriolis force is what causes ocean currents, and prevents the oceans from "stagnating."
>Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our
>Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and
>then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean
>waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind
>to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a
>system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system
>of recycled and reused water.
Right. And it all operates on well-understood natural principles. No god required.
> How does one explain the human brain?
Evolution. We see a clear path from the brain of a flatworm to our brain expressed in other organisms.
>Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
>The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about
>by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of
>rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank
>dice is something else.
Correct. But evolution does not require rolling "blank faces." It just requires billions upon billions of rolls of the dice to get the perfect run of all sixes.
>What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life
>cannot arise from non-life.
Incorrect. Organic molecules have been synthesized from inorganic materials using nothing more than a mixture of early atmosphere, water, heat and lightning.
>Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise
>information contained in human DNA.
Most human DNA is junk DNA that is not expressed, and is merely leftover information from the process of mutation and selection.
> A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this
>came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is
>intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.
Correct. No one is claiming that evolution is "luck."
maadmax 0
It does indeed. It requires the interplay of neurotransmitters, electrical potentials and retrainable synapses all based upon a substrate onto which the basics (body awareness, instincts, reflexes and pattern recognition) have already been programmed. However, it does not require anything "undescribable." We discover more about the brain every day that explains another facet of how we perceive and react to the world.
You provide a good description of how we interface with the physical world. But, focusing only on the physical mechanism of actions is like observing the motion of a car without any consideration of the driver's will who is steering that car.
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br0k3n 0
QuoteI really respect everyone's beliefs about God... Most of you that give opinions have not even taken the time to read the Bible and I can tell ( not trying to be disrespectful )
Before we go any further I have read it…
I have, and he’s not there… however here is a simple test we can all do …
Get down on your knees, put your hands together and repeat after me….
“Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet right now, and whilst your at it can you please feed the millions of starving children, and perhaps end war and hatred. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. And you did say in Mark 11:24 “Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. “
In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
Let’s check back tomorrow on how Christian god is getting on with this…
QuoteThere are thousands of miracles that have happened around the world
Name just one, and provide evidence to support…
QuoteDon't even think for a minute that the perfection of the earth is the result of a " BIG BANG "
Why not, there isn’t a shred of evidence to support any other theory at the moment.
Quote... Have you ever wonder why the earth rotates at the same speed all the time, why the sun rises every morning and lights up your day, why you exist?
This is what is known as the God of Gaps, because there is gap in your and our understanding of something, you simply attribute it to a sky god. Thankfully everyone doesn’t think this way otherwise we would still be living in caves and rubbing sticks together to create fire.
Quote...The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank.
Rubbish…. Im quite happy as an atheist, why do I need to thank anyone. Im just happy to be hear and will make the most of my brief encounter with life and waste it away on the belief that when I die I will live and cloud and play the harp.
QuoteGod exist whether or not men may choose to believe in Him.
Which god? The Christian god? There are lots to choose from. Anyway evidence please to support this statement?
QuoteThe reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.
Rubbish again, I don’t believe in your god or any god, because quite simply there absolutely no evidence what so ever to suggest they exist.
QuoteWell my fellow skydivers , I chose to believe in god because i have experience his power. God Bless you all
How have you felt his “power” and how do you know it was the Christian god?
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--+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+
--+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+
Or maybe it is still there and we just don't have the capabilities to read it yet.
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